Thursday, November 15, 2018

Four of the Seven Churches of Revelation don't seem to be mentioned elsewhere in The Bible.

Which is surprising considering how much of Acts is dedicated to Paul's time in this same region, and his Epistles sometimes further mentioning other cities near or related to the city of the Church being addressed.

The three that are mentioned are Ephesus which comes up a lot actually, perhaps more then any other location outside the Promised Land.  Thyatira which is the home town of Lydia who Paul met at Philippi in Acts 16, and Paul visits unnamed cities in the same general area.  And then Laodicea is mentioned in Colossians 2:1 and 4:13-16, and it's probably among the cities of Phrygia alluded to in Acts.

But Smyrna, Pergamos/Pergamon, Sardis and Philadelphia are not mentioned, by those names at least, anywhere but in Revelation.

Studies of the Seven Churches often see symbolic or poetic significance in the names used to refer to these cities.  That is a potential reason why some of them might be called by different names then what other ancient writers including other NT writers would call them.

In the case of Pergamos, it's not even that name's real etymology sited but the idea that it can be reinterpreted to mean "perverted marriage" because it's a Church that married the World.

Pergamos has a tendency to be the most mysterious to me, even if purely symbolic/spiritual a city being said to be where Satan's Throne is located is a pretty big deal.  And by secular standards Sardis and Pergamon were two of the most important cities of the region, so their being missing in Acts is much more of an enigma then Smyrna or Philadephia, or for that matter Thyatira and Laodicea being mentioned pretty rarely.

I argued in the past that the Martyrdom of Anitpas makes the Serapeum most likely to be the Pagan Temple Jesus had in mind, not the more popular Altar depicting the Gigantarchy.

But what's interesting is that as I was doing more research into this I discovered that The Illiad mentions a Citadel in Iliom called Pergamos.  In fact that Citadel is said to have a Seat for Apollon.
Homer, Iliad 7.17 ff :
"Now as the goddess grey-eyed Athene [on Olympos] was aware of these two [the Trojan princes Hektor (Hector) and Paris] destroying the men of Argos in the strong encounter, she went down in a flash of speed from the peaks of Olympos to sacred Ilion, where Apollon stirred forth to meet her from his seat on Pergamos, where he planned that the Trojans should conquer. These two then encountered each other beside the oak tree, and speaking first the son of Zeus, lord Apollon, addressed her : ‘What can be your desire this time, o daughter of great Zeus, that you came down from Olympos at the urge of your mighty spirit? To give the Danaans victory in battle, turning it back? .
Since I know from my past Revised Chronology interests that many question the traditional site of Troy, I decided to see if any have argued that Troy and/or Iliom was actually Pergamon.  And in so doing found this website.
http://thetroydeception.com/

I don't think I can agree with the claim that this mistake was a deliberate conspiracy, it's probably the same as many other mistaken identifications I've dealt with regarding locations in Israel, it just happened because of details being lost to time and people reading these texts who don't live there making assumptions.  The Dardanians role in the story could be part of the issue  I should maybe mention here my support for the theory that Homer was contemporary with Gyges of Lydia.
[Update: I've since learned others have proposed the same theory in different ways.  Like Troy: The World Deceived by John Lascelles.]

How does this relate to the issue of Pergamon being missing from Acts?  Because Acts does mention Troas in chapter 16, arriving there in verses 7&8 and leaving in verses 10&11.  Troas is placed in Mysia there which is also mentioned on the above site and on Pergamon's Wikipedia page as being where Pergamon was.  

It's important to the timeline of Acts as the narrative voice changing from third person to first person here leads many to conclude this is where Luke joined Paul's party.  Pergamon as a cult center of Aesculapius was a place many Physicians would have visited regularly.

Now at first glance the website I linked to above might be skeptical of the Acts 16:11 Troas being their real Troy since it's against thinking Troy was right by Samothrace.  But Luke doesn't actually say they were that close, in fact they possibly stopped at a Neapolis first, which could well be the Neapolis of Lesbos which as the above link says was just west of Mysia.  Or even if this Neapolis is a place reached after Samothrace, Luke says they set a course to Samothrace, there is no indicator of how far away it was.  Maybe people misunderstanding Act 16 is the real origin of the error that Troy was near Samothrace?

Troas is visited again in Acts 20:5-12, and there it is seemingly nearer to Lesbos (Mytilene) then Samothrace, in fact they would not have sailed to Assos if they were leaving from the Hisarlik site, that trip would have been much shorter by land.

If the Seat of Satan Jesus refereed to was chiefly the Serapeum, the mythological memory of Apollo's seat could still have also been in mind.  Hellenic comparative mythology I'm pretty sure often identified Serapis with Apollo.  Aesculapius was a son of Apollo who also had a Temple near by.

The Seven Church Ages theory of the Seven Churches promoted by many Protestant Historicists and some Futurists tends to see the message to Pergamos as partly a Prophecy of when The Church married Rome, the era of the Ecumenical Councils.  Well Rome in John's time saw themselves as the successor of Troy via Aeneas, the Aeneid written to celebrate that identification also used Pergamos as synonymous with Troy.  In fact the Illiad itself mentions Aeneas in connection to Apollo's temple at Pergamos.
Homer, Iliad 5. 445 ff (trans. Lattimore) (Greek epic C8th B.C.) :
"Apollon caught [the wounded] Aineias (Aeneas) now and away from the onslaught [of the battle], and set him in the sacred keep of Pergamos (Pergamus) where was built his own temple. There Artemis of the showering arrows and Leto within the great and secret chamber healed his wound and cared for him."
Wow, that's really interesting given what happens later in Revelation, with a Head of the Beast having a mortal wound that is healed and being given Satan's Seat.  Aeneas was a son of Aphrodite/Venus as I mentioned in the post I made yesterday. Still I have my skepticism of the seven ages theory.  Also the context of this wounding in the Iliad is not with a sword or to the head but a boulder to the thigh.

I've learned while researching this that Pergamon's Serepeum wasn't built till the reign of Hadrian, so the tradition about that being where Antipas was killed must be false since Revelation was written well before then

Pergamon became a center of the Imperial Cult under Augustus in the late 1st century BC.  Augustus deification of himself involved associating himself with Apollo, while also claiming descent from Aeneas.  So like Smynra the Imperial cult is probably the real backstory behind Martyrdom being mentioned here.  I wonder if those books about Pergamon being Troy have a specific theory about where Apollo's sanctuary was?  If the text of the Iliad can be interpreted as implying it's the highest peak, that would be where Trajan built his Temple, further tying it to the Imperial Cult. Did Trajan simply build over where Augustus and other prior Emperors had been worshiped?  And did Augustus in turn choose the site of an ancient Temple to Apollo? But then Trajan preferred to associate his deification with Zeus rather then Apollo?

Later in Revelation 13 Satan gives his Seat to The Beast, and The Beast is often viewed as being in some way Rome or a Roman Emperor.

Pergamon was a known cult center of Aesculapius going back to the fourth century BC according to Pausanias.  But the surviving remains near the Serapeum like the Serapeum itself are mainly a 2nd century AD construction.

I've decided I can't agree with the Fullness of the Pergamon was the original Troy theory because of how Young Pergamon is archeologically, one of these Pergamon theory books date the fall of Troy to  811 BC but Pergamon was founded later then that.  But I do think locals in Pergamon saw themselves as the real Troy all through antiquity and that belief influenced some aspects of the Iliad.

I'm not today going to propose any theories about Smyrna or Sardis. [Update: in light my newer theories about the Latest Date for The Revelation I now think Smyrna and Sardis didn't have Christian communities till the Second Century.]

I do have some interesting thoughts on Philadelphia.

Philadelphia was the name of several cities in antiquity and could easily have been a nick name to many more.  The Philadelphia traditionally identified with the Philadelphia of Revelation is the city today called Alasehir.  But Alasehir was still a predominantly Pagan city well into the sixth century with it's major Church not being built till 600 AD.  That's not what I'd expect from the Christian legacy of one of the two most praised Churches in Revelation.

Ammia in Philadelphia is the designation of a Prophetess mentioned by Eusebius in Ecclesiastical History Book 5 Chapter 17 quoting a Miltiades criticizing the Montanists.  Montanus and his women claimed to have inherited their Prophetic gifts from Quadartus and Ammia in Philadelphia.  Quadartus is also mentioned in Book 3 Chapter 37, it's possible he too was in or from Philadelphia but not certain.  Eusebius and Miltiades considered these Prophets valid, it's the Montanists' claim of succession from them they're rejecting.

What's interesting is that when Montanus and his women claimed to have inherited their Prophetic gifts from Ammia and Quadartus, it was supposedly a line of succession they got from the Daughters of Philip from Acts 21:9.  And Montanus and his women were from Phrygia.  The exact locations of Pepuza and Tymion where Montanus claimed New Jerusalem would descend and thus made his head quarters are also a mystery, we just know they were in Phrygia.  I've come to suspect they may have been simply Montanus's personal pet names for cities usually known by other names.

I believe that Philip one of the Twelve Disciples and Philip the Deacon aka Philip the Evangelist are in fact the same person, no NT passage mentions both by name together.  I get why people assume Acts 6 allows no overlap between the Twelve and the Seven.  But remember in John chapter 12 the Philip who is of the Twelve serves as the contact between Greek Speaking Jews interested in Jesus message and the Twelve, so Acts 6 could just be him still playing that role.  And Stephen is mentioned first even over one of the Twelve because he became the first Martyr, while when Acts was written Philip's own Martyrdom probably hadn't even happened yet.  Deacon was not meant to be a rank in the NT Church, it was a word meaning "servant", Jesus, Peter and Paul intended for the Church's Elders and Overseers to see themselves as servants.

Polycrates of Ephesus records some traditions I think are wrong like identifying a John with The Beloved Disciple when I view them as different and if either was ever in Ephesus it wasn't John.  But he doesn't call that John one of the Twelve.  The only one of the Twelve whom Polycrates mentions is Philip, he says this Philip was one of the Twelve and had at least three daughters, Philip and two of his daughters fell asleep and were buried in Hierapolis in Phrygia.  Eusebius in Book III chapter 31 also cited another source for Philip and his Four Daughters who were Prophetesses coming to Hierapolis in Phrygia.

Philadelphia isn't mentioned at all in Polycrates discussion of Asian Churches observing Passover on the 14th.  It's not the only city from Revelation 2&3 missing, but Hierapolis is the only Church mentioned that doesn't appear to be one of the Seven.  Thyatira and Pergamon he might have left out since they were specifically associated with bad doctrines in Revelation, but if Philadelphia's Church kept Passover on the 14th that is something he'd want to mention, and perhaps try to explain away if they didn't.

Hierapolis means Holy City, as in a sacred city with an important Temple(s), because it had a lot of pagan temples.  The message to Philadelphia is the one that speaks of the City of God which is New Jerusalem and the Temple of God.   In Revelation 3:12 Jesus promises to make the Overcomer a Pillar in the Temple of God, Paul refers to the Apostles in Jerusalem as Pillars in Galatians 2:9.  Revelation 21:14 says the Twelve Apostles are the Foundations of New Jerusalem, and in Ephesians 2:20 Paul says the Apostles are the Foundations of The Temple of God.  Based on Polycrates I think Philip was the only one of the Twelve who fell asleep in Asia. 

New Jerusalem is called the Holy City in Revelation 21:2 though it's a different Greek word for Holy, Hagias/Hagian.  However the word for Holy that is the first part of Hierapolis happens to look like the beginning of how Jerusalem is spelled in Greek.  Greek was often a very precise language, but I think Hieros and Hagios were understand as synonyms, or at least that mostly anything which can be described as one can also be described as the other.  Also the only time either of these words for Holy appears in Revelation 2-3 is the beginning of the message to Philadelphia.

Philip is a name derived from the same Greek word for Love as the first syllable of Philadelphia. The meaning of Philadelphia is often said to be "brotherly love" but Greek was unlike English in that the words for Brother and Sister used in the New Testament are just slight variations on each other, and so the last part of Philadelphia is almsot arguably closer to the word for sister since city names often wind up mostly feminine in form.  So maybe there is some wordplay going on here where the name also suggests the sisters who were daughters of Philip?  The first Hellenistic Monarch given the epithet Philadelphos was Ptolemy II who was given it in reference to his love for his Sister, so yes it absolutely can mean Sisterly Love.

One of the most famous sites in Hierapolis is the Ploutonion, a ceremonial gateway to Hades, the Underworld.  Jesus introduced himself in the message to Philadelphia as one who is Holy and as He who openeth and shutteth and has the Key of David.  In the other messages the titles for Jesus used here are references back to titles from chapter 1, but David isn't mentioned in chapter 1 and the only Keys mentioned in Chapter 1 are the Keys of Hades and Death.  Sheol comes up in some Davidic Psalms, including one Peter quoted in Acts 2.  The Key of David and the talk of opening and shutting also comes from Isaiah 22:22, and the context there can maybe also be inferred to relate to the Resurrection.

Some people see in the message to Philadelphia possible allusions to the city having a history of Earthquakes, well it was the same for Hierapolis, being damaged by Earthquakes in 17 AD and 60 AD.  As Colossians 4:13 indicates, Hierapolis was close to Laodicea, so that could be why they're next to each other in Revelation chapter 3.  Hierapolis was between Laodicea and Alasehir but much closer to Laodicea, and some think Hierapolis hot springs provide context to understanding the lukewarm water of Laodicea, Jesus is definitely contrasting Laodicea and Philadelphia spiritually.

Antiochus III aka Antiochus The Great settled 2,000 Jews in Phrygia in the early second century BC, by 62 BC the Jewish population in Hierapolis was 50,000.  Jews from Phrygia were at Pentecost according to Acts 2:10, Paul was there in Acts 16:6 before heading to Mysia/Troas and then returned there in Acts 18:23.  Alasehir in contrast does not seem to have ever had a Jewish population.

Based on John 8, those who say they are Jews but are not but are of the synagogue of Satan, probably refers to non Christian Jews.  It's unfortunate that today some people use that to justify their Antisemitism, these privileged Jews were being criticized for persecuting those with different beliefs, modern Jews living in America and Europe are in no position to be the persecutors, at least not to Christians.  Today it is if anything many Christians committing the sins of the Pharisees in John 8 and the Synagogue of Satan.

Philadelphia is presented in Revelation as a city where Christians aren't facing the immediate threat of death for their faith the way they were in Smynra due to the presence of the Imperial Roma cult.  But while Christians were the minority everywhere this city is one where it seems to have been particularly not easy to be a Christian culturally.  How many Pagan Temples Hierapolis had could be the reason for that.

If Montanus knew full well that the Philadelphia of Revelation was in Phrygia, that could make sense of his ability to develop a belief that Phrygia was where New Jerusalem would descend by ignoring how New Jerusalem being referenced in that message isn't about Geography. In fairness to Montanus however, Revelation 21 makes New Jerusalem large enough that if you place it's exact center at Jerusalem and/or Bethlehem and/or Bethel, it would include all of Phyrgia.

Papias is also said to have spent time in Hierapolis. And it should also be noted that Apolinarius a chief early critic of the Montanists was a Bishop of Hierapolis, so they had opposition in Phrygia as well.  Indeed there was a Bishopric in Hierapolis that existed all through Pre-Nicene and Post-Nicene Early Church History, while the one for Alasehir doesn't appear till the time of Nicaea.  And in the Fourth Century Hierapolis became a majority Christian city very quickly, unlike Alasehir.

My Philadelphia theory is not one I'm gonna promote as strongly because I lack any independent evidence that Hierapolis was also known as Philadelphia.  But even if I can never find that smoking gun, I'm willing to consider that this city might have been called that only by it's Christian population, perhaps as a pun on the name of the Disciple who was buried there.

Update 2023: Both these theories I have become inclined towards.  

For Pergamon I do still think people in that believed they were Troy and that may have influenced what's said in Revelation, but Toas in Acts probably refers to the Troad region and not a single city.

For Philadelphia I realize I was missing the point by making such a point out of the Philadpehian Church's seeming insignificance.  The message about them being the smallest and weakest Church by Secular Standard but the truest in their faith.  But also maybe Eusebius couldn't give a list of Bishops because they never accepted Episcopal Polity before Nicaea.  And maybe a Pro-Montanist could argue the Montanists were the legacy of Philadelphia.

Some of the circumstantial stuff I mentioned could still be interesting.  Polycrates letter only accounts for 3 of Philip's 4 daughters, so maybe the remaining one settled in Philadelphia where she became the Sempai of Ammia.  

And some of these regions terms within the Province of Asia were flexible and so maybe Alasehir can be considered part of Phyrgia even though it's usually classified as Lydian.  The location of Pepuza is known now, and was when I first wrote this, I had simply been influenced by outdated information.  It is arguably closer to Alasehir then it is to the Laodicea/Hierapolis/Colossae area.

Wednesday, November 14, 2018

I think it's possible Patmos wasn't where we think it was.

The Isle we currently identify with Patmos was mentioned rarely in Antiquity, and it's known that it was originally named Letois after Leto because of myths about Artemis raising it out of the Sea at the request of Selene.  It's not till the Fourth Century any Church commemorating John writing Revelation was founded there.  There are lists from sources like Tacitus of islands being used as penal colonies by Rome in the 1st Century and Patmos/Letois is never among them.

I've expressed on my other blog that The Beloved Disciple was Lazarus (and maybe also his Sisters) not any of the 12, and that they wrote the Gospel and Epistles commonly attributed to John.  I also believe John was never in Ephesus and that one of the False Apostles of Ephesus mentioned in Revelation 2 is the origin of that false tradition.  I think Letois was identified with Patmos derivative of that tradition.

The New Testament talks about Ephesus more then any other location that's not in Israel, never is anyone named John ever there.  Remember Ephesus is also where Timothy was when Paul wrote two Pastoral Epistles to him.  Revelation includes a message for Ephesus and other Churches in Asia which people often think implies John knew them.  But I feel it would have proven the Supernatural quality of this message better if it was able to address their issues so well even though this John had never been anywhere near them.

Revelation 1:9 is the only verse in all of Scripture the name "Patmos" appears in, the spelling is actually for grammatical reasons PatmO in the Textus Receptus.  It's called an Isle, and John says he's there for the Testimony of Jesus and alludes to tribulation, but there is still no direct reference to it being an exile as tradition has assumed it to be.  And this John does not claim to be one of the 12 or a Son of Zebedee either.

There are times in Scripture where the name of a City on an Island is treated as the name of that Island, like Melita/Melite in Acts 28:1.

The first time the New Testament uses a word for Island/Isle is Acts 13:6, while Paul, Barnabas and someone named John were on the Island of Cyprus, when they arrive at a city on Cyprus called Paphos.  It is upon leaving Cyprus in this chapter that this John separates from Paul and Barnabas.  It's pretty easy for me to imagine Patmos being an alternate form of or nick name for Paphos.

This John in Acts 13 was appointed to be Barnabas and Paul's "Minister", the specific Greek word used here implies a type of recorder or record keeper, someone who will be writing stuff down. His record of these events was probably used as source material by Luke when he compiled Acts, though I don't think Luke simply copy/pasted it.  The Book of Revelation is it's John serving that exact same function.

The reason scholars are pretty sure the John of Acts 13 is John Mark is because these events are referenced back to in Acts 15:37-40 where he's called both John and Mark.  That passage also tells us Barnabas and John Mark went back to Cyprus.  So could this John Mark have written Revelation at Paphos on Cyprus?  If John Mark is also the Mark who was a relative of Barnabas then he was a native of Cyprus to begin with.

But what if Mark and Revelation could have the same author?  Literary analysis only focuses on if Revelation lines up with books we've named after John son of Zebedee.  Mark's Gospel is likewise his record of what Peter preached.  Differences in literary style could perhaps be explained by him being the recorder of different reciters.

Acts 13 at Paphos is the only place outside of Revelation the word Pseudoprophetes (False Prophet) is used of a singular individual.

Kittim was a Son of Javan Son of Japheth in Genesis, but the name pops up a few times in Bible Prophecy.  It's pretty agreed on that it's an early name for the island of Cyprus, it's just disagreed to what extent Kittim extends beyond that, or if it's more specifically just Kition.  

Cyrpus at one point in it's ancient history was divided between Ten City-State Kingdoms, one of them was based in Paphos, one was Salamis and one was Kition.

The Wikipedia page for Paphos says some interesting things about the local Greek Mythology.  For one it's the source of the legend of Pygmalion, a myth about a statue named Galatea being brought to life by Aphrodite, many people talking about this story leave out that it was specifically a statue of Aphrodite.

The local cult of Aphrodite at Paphos believed the version of her origin story where she rises from the Sea, (the word for Sea in question being Thalassa the same one Revelation uses) after the genitals of Ouranos (Heaven) were cut off and cast into it (Nonnus, Dionysiaca 12.43, it's also in Hesiod).  Serpents were often used as Phalic Imagery in antiquity, so to a literate Greek reader Revelation 12 talking about the Old Serpent being cast out of Ouranos to the Earth might seem evocative of that castration.

The Greek text of Revelation may not define the Beasts out of the Sea and Earth as inherently masculine as our English Bibles make us assume.  The word for "Man" is always Anthropos which actually means Human and is not really gender specific.  And English is often forced to make pronouns Gender Specific that were not always so in the original.

There was also precedent for Aphrodite being worshiped as a War deity, Aphrodite Areia.  "Who is able to Make war with the Beast".

So it might be some of these local Pagan traditions influenced the Symbolic Imagery Jesus choose to use to communicate His message to this John.

It is also part of the Mythology of Paphos that they were colonized by Arcadians who fought in the Trojan War.  I have long theorized the Arcadians of Greek Mythology are the Arkite tribe of the Canaanites.  And I also think that Troy was partly based on the Northern Kingdom of Israel.  There is also a legend mentioned by Strabo about Paphos being founded by Amazons, who I also have wild speculations about.

Pygmalion was also the name of a King of Tyre who's reign is typically dated to 831-785 BC, he is known to have built colonies on Cyrpus and Sardinia.  His grandfather was the brother of Jezebel, Jezebel's father had been a priest of Astarte according to Phoenician historians quoted by Josephus.  Dido the founder of Carthage was the sister of Pygamlion of Tyre, she had stopped at Cyrpus on the way to Carthage.  Dido had also been married to a Priest of Melqart (The King of Tyre of Ezekiel 28:11-19).

This is why Cyrpus is often viewed as the origin of the cult of Aphrodite, or rather that it was on Cyprus Astarte became Aphrodite.

After the Christianization of the Roman Empire, The Virgin Mary began taking on aspects of the worship of many Olympian goddesses, including Aphrodite/Venus.  An Adonis Cave in Bethlehem became the Church of the Nativity.  Still it's important to avoid the bad Hislop derivative research you see being promoted by many Protestants, Hebrew Roots followers, Neo-Pagans and New Atheists. Nimrod did not have a wife named Semiramis, but it is true that the title "Queen of Heaven" in Pagan mythologies was often given to goddesses associated with the planet Venus.  And there is indeed a Church dedicated to the Virgin Mary in Paphos, and a few others elsewhere on the island of Cyrpus.

The title of Theotokos (Mother of God or God-Bearer or Birth-Giver of God) is part of Mary's quasi deification, so even though I'm not Nestorian I have my own reasons for not using that title for Mary, it's not Biblical so it doesn't matter if it's technically accurate. Aphrodite/Venus did have mother goddess aspects, as the mother of Aeneas she was a mother to Rome, and she was sometimes the mother of the god named Love.  Indeed one of the confusions of the conflicting accounts of Greek mythology is how Eros was both a son of Aphrodite but also a primordial deity who existed before Aphrodite's parents, sometimes Eros was even made the very first god.

There is a theory that one or both of the Jewish Temples (or maybe the Tabernacle of David) stood where Justinian built the Nea Ekklesia of the Theotokos.  So that's a pretty literal definition of an Abomination of Desolation.  But if you want a more symbolic one there is the fact that Catholics defend their Marian Doctrines by saying Mary is the Tabernacle and Ark of the New Covenant.  The New Testament actually teaches that every and all believers are The Temple/Tabernacle of God.

Update April 2020: I've decided this post should be viewed first and foremost as an argument for John Mark being the John of Revelation.  As a relative of Barnabas he was probably also born on Cyprus so so Jesus using Cypriot perspectives on things in the Vision is just evidence of that more so then Patmos being Cyprus.

I still have my doubts about the traditional identification of Patmos.  Is there any solid proof Letois was called Patmos before being associated with The Revelation?  Or that that association happened before the Fourth Century?

Update May 27th 2020: It has just been brought to my attention that there are some texts published by von Soden which say "John" wrote his Gospel after returning to Ephesus from Paphos.  That doesn't directly relate to Revelation at all, and ties into traditions I now consider false, but it is an interesting witness.
Here is the best link I find for a source on them.
Further Updates: The author of that book I've also interacted with on the comments section of a Preterist blog.
https://deanfurlong.com/2020/04/06/john-mark-beloved-disciple/comment-page-1/#comment-17
And they've written another blog post on the subject.
https://deanfurlong.com/2020/05/28/the-confusion-of-cyprus-and-patmos/
Update: We now need to depend on the Way Back Machine to read these.

Tuesday, November 13, 2018

1st Peter could have been written before 41 AD.

So people insisting Babylon can't be Babylon in 1 Peter and Revelation like to talk about Josephus account in Antiquities Of The Jews Book 18 Chapter 9 of the Jewish community in Babylon being forced to leave for Seleucia in 41 AD as evidence Peter wouldn't have gone there with no Jewish population left.

One website mistakenly says 41 BC, I think that's just a typo though.  This event is the end of Book 18, it follows the entire reign of Tiberius and all or most of the reign of Caligula, so it happened in 40 AD at the soonest.

Now I've responded to this in a few ways in the past.  First Trajan's account clearly has Babylon still existing and populated in the teens of the second century.  Lots of sites online insist on talking about this account as if it says Babylon was nothing but a ruin, they are just over emphasizing Trajan's disappointment at it's decline, but it's also clear people were still living there as at least one Temple was till operating as Trajan offered sacrifices to Alexander in the room where he died.  Therodoret of Cyrus refers to Babylon still being inhabited in the fifth century.

And I've also argued that Peter could mean Babylon as in the region of Babylonia, not just the individual city of Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar.  The Babylonian Talmud is called the Babylonian Talmud for a reason.  I agree with those who say the Babel of Genesis 11 was probably Eridu.  And in Seleucia both the Gentile and Jewish population were of people who were moved there from Babylon, they may well have called themselves Babylon in some sense.  The Jewish Population of Seleucia got involved in the Kitos War during the reign of Trajan.   The Assyrian Orthodox Church had a Bishopric in Babylonia till well after the Muslin Conquest, often based in Seleucia.

 However I also feel it's highly possible 1 Peter was written before 40 AD.  I place the Crucifixion in 30 AD, and the events of Acts chapters 6 through most of 11 in 36/37 AD, maybe getting into early 38 at the latest.  By then Believers were being called Christians at Antioch and Peter was done with his affairs in Joppa and Caesarea.

The Death of Herod Agrippa recorded in Acts 12 was in 44 AD.  We tend to assume the Passover season when James was martyred and Peter imprisoned was the one of that same year, and if true it perfectly leaves room for Peter to have been in Babylon during that gap.  But it's also possible the narrative of Acts 12 after verse 19 jumps forward to record his death.  It might be the end of Acts 11 and beginning of Acts 12 is supposed to be at the very start of the reign of Claudius, Herod Agrippa didn't become King of Judea till Claidus came to power.  I think it's possible Peter and James were in Jerusalem for this Passover because it was Pilgrimage festival, their being here isn't evidence no one left Judea yet.

Don't get deluded by any notion it'd take a long time for Christian Communities to emerge in the places Peter wrote to.  Pentecost of Acts 2 included Jews from those same parts of Asia and Mesopotamia.  The communities Paul started later were the primarily Gentile ones, 1 Peter is specifically addressed to Jewish Believers of the Diaspora.

Paul said Peter was in charge of bringing The Gospel to the Circumcision in Galatians 2:7-8, and for over 600 years by this time Babylonia had the most important Jewish community outside of Israel.  Rome had a Jewish population (also represented at Pentecost) but it was much smaller and less significant.  So Peter would be remiss in his duties if he didn't go to Babylonia.

The idea that Peter would use Babylon as code for Rome to hide what he's talking about from the Roman authorities is absurd.  Besides negative assumptions we make about the name Babylon, Peter isn't saying anything bad about this city, just that it's is where he is, and presumably so is Marcus.  And if any authorities had intercepted the letter they could easily have known where it as mailed from and so using a derogatory code name could only be counter productive to that presumed goal.

Now all that said, I have been contemplating the Babylon in Egypt theory, and may make a post on that soon, though frankly my thoughts there are more about that being The Babylon of Revelation.

The oldest traditions do not assume every Mark or Marcus of The New Testament was the same person.  And I unlike most don't even think every John Mark was the same, fact is among Romanized Jews of the first century John Mark was likely the equivalent of John Smith.  The John Mark associated with Paul and Barnabas is probably the cousin of Barnabus mentioned in the Epistles.  The John Mark son of Mary of Acts 12 I think is the one Peter mentions in his Epistle and who wrote the Gospel According to Mark.

I believe The Gospel According to Mark was based on what Peter preached in Babylonia, and I agree with the arguments for it and Matthew both being written already before the events of Acts 12.

Biblical Prophets were not cowards, when Babylon was the current world power Old Testament Prophets didn't use Nineveh as code, no in the Old Testament Nineveh is Nineveh and Babylon is Babylon.  So I'm tired of people saying that Revelation's "Old Testament imagery" proves Babylon is Rome.

If you respect Tradition so much, the Assyrian Orthodox Church traditionally holds that Peter was exactly where he says he was when he wrote that Epistle.

Monday, November 12, 2018

"Behold, I Make All Things Fresh."

"Neo" is a cool sounding synonym for "New" that like many such cool sounding words is Greek in origin.  I had for awhile uncharacteristically just assumed without checking that "Neo" was the Greek word for "New" that was used when referring to New Jerusalem in Revelation.  And with that assumption in mind had considered that if I ever did start my own Worship Community I'd call it Neo-Yerushalaim, going Greek for the "New" part and proper Hebrew for Jerusalem, and in the process creating a name that sounded vaguely Anime inspired.

But recently I was looking over the Greek of Revelation 21 for other reasons (I was deciding if I wanted to revise anything about the "Great City" post) and noticed that no form of "Neo" is there.  Rather the word for "New" used of New Jerusalem is Kainos Strong Number 2537.  It's the same when New Jerusalem is first mentioned in Revelation 3:12 as part of the message to Philadelphia.

Neo/Neon is used in the New Testament. Strongs defines the difference between the two words by saying.
"new (especially in freshness; while neoV - neos 3501 is properly so with respect to age:"
Suggesting "Fresh" could be a good translation of Kainos.  Now words with "fresh" in them appear in the KJV in verses that don't use this word, but that's complicated.  Hebrews 6:6's "afresh" is a prefix that means again.  Likewise "refresh" is either there more for the RE part of that, or something to "cool off" or "rest".

Neo/Neon/Neos and words derived from it are equally as inclined to be translated "young", "younger" or "youth".  Neo implies something that actually is brand new, while Kainos implies something old being made Fresh again.

For example, you could have used Neo for New York or New Orleans, New cities founded with those names but that exist on a completely different continent.  The Mormon view of New Jerusalem treats it as a Neo, as they believe New Jerusalem will be in the Continental United States, that New Jerusalem is related to Old Jerusalem the same way New York and New Orleans are to their European predecessors.

But you could have a Neo-City on the same location, if the first city was completely destroyed and everyone killed or displaced leaving no real continuity of architecture, culture or genealogy between the Old and the New, like the Neo-Tokyo in Akira.  Chris White's rationalization for how making Mystery Babylon Jerusalem doesn't contradict New Jerusalem is also a Neo-Jerusalem doctrine.  But so is full dispensationalism, New Jerusalem is clearly identified with The Church, so if The Church and Israel and totally separate, then they need to see this as a different Jerusalem no matter where it's located.

A word related to Kainos is translated "Newness" in Romans 6:4 and 7:6 when Paul speaks of us being made new at Baptism.  Kainos is also the word for "New" when referring to the New Heaven and New Earth in Revelation 21:1 and 2 Peter 3:13.  I've argued that the Lake of Fire is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the world will be Baptized in Fire just as it had been Baptized with Water.  Forms of Kainos also get translated Renew, Renewed and Renewing.

New Jerusalem will have continuity with Old Jerusalem.  It is gonna be much larger in size, but it will include where Old Jerusalem was.  But more importantly it's population will include residents of old Jerusalem, from every era of it's history.

Kainos is also the word for "New" used when in Revelation 21:4 God says "Behold, I Make All Things New", which Peter Hiett has said played an important role in his coming to the doctrine of Universal Salvation, I think this nuance makes that conclusion about the verse even more solid.

I think this little detail I've discovered is good for opposing quasi Gnostic ideas, this World is not going to be destroyed, it's going to be purified and restored to how it was when it was New.

Likewise however the fact that Hebrews 12:24 uses a form of Neo not Kainos for the New Covenant works against the Hebrew Roots argument that the New Covenant is really just the Old Covenant restored.

Did Pilate's Governorship actually begin in 17 or 18 AD?

Here is an article on the subject arguing it could be the case based mostly on Roman Coinage.
http://www.academia.edu/8296217/The_Chronology_and_Tenure_of_Pontius_Pilate_New_Evidence_for_Re-dating_the_Period_of_Office._Judaea_and_Rome_in_Coins_65_BCE_-_135_CE._The_Numismatic_Circular_pp._1-7._Kenneth_L%C3%B6nnqvist

There is a potential argument for this model from Josephus I have noticed that I don't think that article included.  Which is notable because something Josephus said is also basically the sole reason for the more common 26 AD date.

In Book 18 of Antiquities of The Jews, the last thing Josephus talks about at the end of chapter 2 before introducing Pilate in chapter 3 is the Death of Antiochus III of Commagene who died in 17 AD.  The first three sections of chapter 3 are stories about affairs when Pilate was Governor, one of them being the Crucifixion of Jesus.

Then section 4 begins a long account of calamities that befell the Jews and Egyptians in Rome.  Tacitus Annals II records those same events, his Annals are explicitly year by year and he places them in 19 AD (the Year of the Consulship of Silanus and Balbus), the same year as the death of Germanicus.

Now the above article stresses how this need not change assumptions about the chronology of The Gospels, they're expanding Pilate's administration not moving it, he was still governor during the Passovers of 27-36, with myself long favoring the Passion being in 30 AD.

However I have been flirting with the possibility of moving it down.  It would make my arguments for sooner Nativity Dates (Like 12 BC or 25-22 BC) even more plausible.

Apparently Tertullian had said there were 52 years between the first Advent and the fall of Jerusalem to Titus.  Which points us to 18 AD.

What about the 15th Year of Tiberius?  Well I've already said more then once that Jesus Baptism could have actually happened before that, it's simply when John was arrested that happened then, which I do view as possibly merely months or even weeks before the Passover of the Crucifixion.  And it could be Luke was using a source counting from when Tiberius truly became Augustus's Heir in 4 AD which can give us a 15th Year that begins in 18 and ends in 19.

As far as the 70 Weeks goes.  The same chronology for Artaxerxes that has 483 years from his 20th year be the Nisan of 30 AD, could bring us to 17 or 18 AD if we used the Decree of Ezra 7 which was his 7th year.  However I still strongly feel only the Nehemiah Decree can fit the requirements of Daniel 9, so I shall remain favoring a 30 AD Crucifixion.

But regardless of my Crucifixion model, I am interested in this theory about Pilate.

Update March 2024: The Article is behind a Paywall now and it's older versions wasn't properly archived.  

Saturday, November 10, 2018

How Many Lost Tribes will be Restored?

I like Peter Hiett's Sermon interpreting the Parables of Luke 15 from a Universal Salvation perspective.
http://www.thesanctuarydenver.org/sermons/sin-and-what-to-do-about-it/

Now I would never start with these parables in building a Doctrine of Universal Salvation since I know to most Christians the Coins/Sheep/Sons never represented all of Humanity to begin with, but just Believers or "The Elect" (whatever that means). But here I'm mainly addressing various forms of Two House Theology and Lost Tribes focused theories and the Hebrew Roots Movement, who would view these parables as just Israel and the Lost as Ephraim.  So it's interesting then that in none of those parables is the total number 12.  (Also it doesn't fit many places where Samaria/Jospeh is the first born, like Ezekiel 16 and Jeremiah 31:9, and the North had 8 out of 12 tribes, two thirds inheritance.  No the Older Brother here is Israel as a whole as God's Firstborn among the Nations, Exodus 4:22).

Michael Heiser does not technically seem to be teaching any of those Soteorlogies, but he is obsessed with viewing The Bible, especially The Old Testament from an "Ancient Near East perspective", and even connects that to his rejection of Universal Salvation.  Well I don't believe in The Bible because I want to worship an ancient local near eastern tribal deity, I believe in The Bible because I believe it's god is the True God who created ALL of Humanity..

We tend to summarize the history of God's chosen people as Him first choosing Abraham in Genesis 12, but then the chosen line gets narrowed down to Isaac and then Jacob.  And then the 12 Tribes are the chosen people until Solomon's failures cause the North to break off and it falls into sin repeatedly until it is carried away in captivity in II Kings 17.  But Bible Prophecy says that Ephraim will be restored, and so Christians have frequently disagreed on how that fits into The New Testament.

However the Book of Genesis doesn't begin with Chapter 12, it begins with Chapter 1, where Adam is made in God's Image and Likeness and given Dominion over The Earth, something reaffirmed in Psalm 8, so the Chosen line begins with Adam and Eve who's Seed was chosen to Crush The Serpent.  But then because of the Fall and various subsequent Sins it was narrowed down to Seth and Enosh, and then to Noah and Shem and Heber and then Abraham in chapter 12.

And so likewise perhaps Ephraim/Samaria isn't the only disinherited branch that is going to be restored.  I already talked on my other blog about how Esau, Jacob's Brother, is not as cut off as people think.  There are Prophecies of the coming Millennium and/or New Heaven and New Earth that mention Nebojath and Kedar, the first two sons of Ishmael.  Jeremiah foretells how Moab and Ammon will be brought back from their captivity, and there are also Prophecies of the Messianic Era mentioning Sheba.  Jeremiah 49 has Elam being restored from their captivity, and Isaiah 19 speaks of Asshur showing that Semites not form Aprhaxad are still part of the plan.  And there are also references to Javan and Tarshish showing Japheth isn't left out, and Isaiah 19 mentions Mizraim, Isaiah 18 and Zephaniah speak of Cush bringing Gifts to the Messiah's Kingdom, and Ezekiel 16 says even Sodom will be restored, which means Ham and even Canaan isn't left out.  1 Peter 3&4 tell us Jesus Preached The Gospel to the very same men who rejected Noah when He went down into Sheol.

Romans 5 tells us all who became Sinners in Adam are made Righteous in Christ, and this is backed up by 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Timothy 2&4.  And Romans 11 says the Fullness of the Gentiles will be grafted into Israel and then All Israel shall be Saved.

This is also the point of Robin Parry's First Fruits and The Nations study.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ybft7WMgXY&t

Thursday, November 1, 2018

Was Bible Prophecy fulfilled around 500 AD?

A few 2nd/Early 3rd Century AD Church Writers predicted that the Millenium would begin about 500 AD [Strandberg, Todd; James, Terry (June 2003). Are You Rapture Ready. New York City: Dutton.].  I don't think that happened, but I am open to unconventional understandings of how Daniel 2 and 7 relate to Revelation which could include more quasi Preterist/Historicist interpretations of those Chapters.

The basis for Irenaeus, Hippolytus of Rome and Julius Africanus predicting around 500 AD was that for reasons based on Septuagint chronology they felt the time of Christ was 5500 years from Creation and that the Seventh Millennium would begin about 500 years later.  So I’m going to allow a range here.  It’s interesting that all three had passed away before 250 AD and so were not making predictions based on a bias for wanting it to happen in their lifetimes.

The earliest possible date for The Birth of Jesus is 25 BC, 500 years from which would be 476 AD, but more popular dates are about 5-4 BC which takes us to the 490s AD.  From here on the start date is already AD so just put a 5 in-front of it to get the end date.

I place The Crucifixion, Resurrection and Pentecost in the Spring of 30 AD.  Others have proposed dates all over the time Pilate was Governor (26-36 AD).  The latest possible date is 37 AD, which year is also when I place the end of the 70 Weeks of Daniel so definitely an important year.  But there is also room to argue the history of the First Advent isn’t fully done till we reach the end of the narrative of Acts (62-64 AD), or the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD in the midst of the Jewish Revolt that spanned from 66-73 AD.

So what was the End Time scenario predicted by our 500 AD date setters?  Irenaeus and Hippolytus wrote in depth on Bible Prophecy more then any other Pre-Nicene writers.  Their model predicted that the Roman Empire would collapse, than 10 Kingdoms would arise in its place, and then after that would come The Little Horn commonly identified with The Antichrist. 

This was a pretty standard view of Bible Prophecy prior to Nicaea.  But when Constantine happened things changed, many started thinking Rome’s fall wasn’t something to look forward to anymore, and so Amillennial and Post-Millennial interpretations rose in popularity, and then the Last Roman Emperor tradition developed, which turned the one who would restore Rome after it’s collapse into a Hero rather then a Villain.

So it’s Ironic that even though the Church stopped believing in what those early Eschatology teachers predicted, what they predicted at least partially did happen pretty much exactly when they predicted it would.  Basically everything but The Second Coming itself.

476 AD is one of the dates commonly cited as when the Western Empire fell, along with 480 and 488 AD.  Chris White talked about how Daniel 2 can be viewed as being fulfilled in the late 400s AD, which I talked about when critiquing his very different view of Daniel 7.

Much of the 500s were dominated by the reign of Justinian, an emperor popular with History YouTubers like Extra Credits.  Seventh Day Adventists and other Protestant Historicists have a long history of viewing Daniel 7 as being fulfilled in the time of Justinian, with the 10 Horns being the Barbarian Kingdoms that rose to power in the West as Rome Fell.  I’m going to link to a Playlist that is mostly videos an Atheist YouTuber called NumberOneSon made critiquing various SDA teachers on what they get wrong about Justinian’s history.
History Versus Playlist.  Note, There is at least one video on the Playlist not about this subject.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL95E6667F8E19F8B0

His critiques are mostly correct. (He does confuse Monophysite and Miasphyte theology by calling Theodora a Monophysite, she was a Miasphyte and so did believe Jesus was both Fully Human and Fully Divine, and it was only Miasyphtes not proper Monophysites Justinian wanted to make peace with, but that confusion is common.)  However the details these SDAs get wrong don’t change that, yes, what happened then looks an awful lot like what Daniel 7 predicted as it was interpreted by pre-Nicene Christians.

I'm willing to consider the Prophetic use of the round number 10 a detail that doesn’t need to be fulfilled exactly literally.  You can say that’s convenient, but I say it’s just the nature of the number 10.  But still there are ways to justify making it exactly 10 kingdoms if you wanted to. And I lean towards viewing the three Kingdoms Justinian uprooted as being the Vandals, Alans and Ostrogoths.  I know the Alans and Vandals are technically viewed as being the same kingdom by this point, but I still think it's valid to view them as separate in the context of fulfilling this prophecy.

Also I’m not a Historicist (not properly anyway) so don’t accept any Day=Year arguments and therefore won't turn around and make this about Napoleon and The Roman Question.

But the big difference between what I’m considering possible here and the SDAs is I don’t make the Little Horn into The Pope.  Instead I think the Little Horn is basically the Eastern Empire.

Some Prophecy teachers will try to say the Ten Toes need to be 5 on each Leg, thus 5 for the Eastern Empire.  The problem is in the context of Daniel 7 the Eastern Empire is the land of the first three Beasts (Mainly the Leopard).  Making it the Eastern Empire can make the Little Horn of Daniel 7 the same as the Little Horn of Daniel 8 without rejecting that the Fourth Beast is Rome.  I have already argued in an early Seleucid Dynasty post that the Daniel 8 Little Horn can be viewed as the Seleucid Empire as a whole, and the Ptolemaic Kingdom is the horn it grew out of.  The legacy of the Seleucid Empire, both genealogically and culturally, was absorbed into the Eastern Roman Empire.  If the Eastern Empire had a Capital prior to Constantinople being founded it was Antioch, that’s where Germanicus operated from when he was placed in charge of the East.  And it remained important after, with Constantius Gallus operating there when he was the number 2 man in the Empire, and the Bishop of Antioch always being one of the top Bishops in the Imperial Church.

So when the Eastern Empire is uprooting certain Barbarian Kingdoms during the 6th Century AD, that could be the Little Horn uprooting three of the ten.  Also in Daniel 7 the "Little Horn" is never directly called a King, that could be relevant here since in Jsuitnian's time the Roman Emperors were still officially claiming they weren't kings.

Chris White argued The Stone from Daniel 2 is The Church being established.  Given my argument that Daniel 2 and 7 should be understood in the geographical context of Mesopotamia, the Assyrian Church would fit best as being that Stone.  And the Nestorians were the branch of Christianity Justinian was pushing out.

And because I've considered more complicated nuanced views of how Daniel and Revelation relate to each other, the 3 uprooted horns may not be permanently uprooted, or since 10 is a symbolic number they get replaced once the Little Horn's role is over.  And so the Barbarian Kingdoms have become the WEU nations or something like that.

The Eight King of Revelation 17 can be viewed as different from the Little Horn, the Little Horn uproots three horns, but the Eight King is someone the Ten Horns more willingly give their power to.  Maybe you can still make that the Papacy, but then comes the other problems traditional Historicism has.