Lutheran Aristocracy

Lutheran Aristocracy 

House of Ludovingian

Louis I, Landgrave of Thuringia

:Louis II, Landgrave of Thuringia

::Louis III, Landgrave of Thuringia           

::Hermann I, Landgrave of Thuringia, Patron of Wolfram von Eschenbach

:::Jutta  

::::Henry III, Margrave of Meissen    

:::::Albert II, Margrave of Meissen   

::::::Frederick I, Margrave of Meissen (Became Heir to House of Hohenstaufen)

::::Herman I, Count of Henneberg

:::Louis IV, Landgrave of Thuringia

::::Hermann II, Landgrave of Thuringia

::::Sophie of Thuringia, Duchess of Brabant

:::::Henry I, Landgrave of Hesse

:::Irmgard

::::Henry II, Prince of Anhalt-Aschersleben

::::Bernhard I, Prince of Anhalt-Bernburg

::::Siegfried I, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst

:::::Albert I, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst

:::Henry Raspe

:::Conrad, Grand Master of The Teutonic Knights

Reformation Era (16th Century)

Philip I, Langrave of Hesse (Heir of Henry I Landgrave of Hesse)

John the Steadfast Elector of Saxony (Heir of Frederick I, Margrave of Meissen)

Henry IV the Pious, Duke of Saxony (Another Patrilineal Descendent of Fredrick of Meissen)

Ernest I, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg as well as his brothers Otto and Francis (Their mother was John The Steadfast's Sister)

Julius of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

Philip I, Duke of Brunswick-Grubenhagen

John V Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst 

George III Prince of Anhalt-Dessau

Joachim I Prince of Anhalt-Dessau

Jobst II, Count of Hoya

Bernhard VIII, Count of Lippe

Barnim XI, Duke of Pomerania

Philip I, Duke of Pomerania

Philip III Count of Waldeck and his nephew Count Philip IV of Waldeck-Wildungen

George I of Württemberg-Mömpelgard and his brother Ulrich

John Albert I, Duke of Mecklenburg

John III Duke of Cleves (Mother was another descendent of Henry Landgrave of Hesse)

Albert of Prussia last Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights and first Duke of Prussia 

Joachim II Hector, Elector of Brandenburg, Albert's Paternal Cousin

John, Margrave of Brandenburg-Küstrin a brother of Joachim II Hector.

Louis V, Elector Palatine

Frederick II, Elector Palatine

Otto Henry, Elector Palatine

John II, Count Palatine of Simmern

Wolfgang, Count Palatine of Zweibrücken (Mother and Wife were both Princesses of Hesse)

Charles II Margrave of Baden-Durlach

William I, Count of Nassau-Dillenburg (His mother was another descendent of Henry Landgrave of Hesse)

Christopher, Count of Oldenburg

Anthony I, Count of Oldenburg

Gustav I of Sweden

Elizabeth of Denmark, Electress of Brandenburg

Dorothea of Denmark, Duchess of Prussia

Christian III of Denmark 

The Cadet branch of his dynasty founded by his third son often intermarried with these families, the Dukes of Schleswig-Holstein.

His Half-Brothers founded Cadet Branches of their own that did the same.

Bavarian Illuminati Members (usually born in the 1740s or 1750s)

Ernest II Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg (Was the senior Male-preference Primogeniture heir of John the Steadfast)

Prince August of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

Karl August Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (Was the senior Male-only Primogeniture heir of John the Steadfast)

Prince Frederick Ferdinand Constantin of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach

Prince Charles of Hesse-Kassel

Prince Christian of Hesse-Darmstadt

?Louis X, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt

Frederick V, Landgrave of Hesse-Homburg

?Frederick Christian II, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (not an official member but is mentioned by Bode)

Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick-Lüneburg-Wolfenbüttel (1721-1792)

?Frederick William III of Prussia father of Kaiser Wilhelm I

Nazi Party Members and Sympathizers (alive in the 1930s and 40s)

House of Hohenzollern

Kaiser Wilhelm II sometimes expressed support for Hitler but sometimes condemned him

:Prince August Wilhelm of Prussia (NSDAP – 24)

::Prince Alexander Ferdinand of Prussia (NSDAP – 534782)

:Prince Joachim Franz Humbert of Prussia

::Prince Karl Franz of Prussia (NSDAP – 2407422)

:Princess Victoria Louise of Prussia

Princess Margaret of Prussia (NSDAP – 4814690)

Princess Marianne of Prussia (NSDAP – 4628851)

British Royals

Duke of Windsor/King Edward VIII, senior Male-preference primogeniture heir of Ernest II, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 4969451)

:Gottfried Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (NSDAP – 402307)

Princess Victoria Melita of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

Charles Edward Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 2560843)

:Johann Leopold, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 1037966)

:Prince Hubertus of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 7213588)

Princess Marie Louise of Hanover and Cumberland

:Princess Marie Alexandra of Baden (NSDAP – 7900128)

:Berthold, Margrave of Baden

Princess Alexandra of Hanover and Cumberland

:Friedrich Franz, Hereditary Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (SS) (NSDAP – 504973)

:Duke Christian Louis of Mecklenburg

Ernest Augustus, Duke of Brunswick

Other Princes of Saxony

Prince Rainer of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 300354)

Prince Ernst of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 196633)

Prince Leopoldine of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 1453322)

Georg of Saxe-Meiningen (NSDAP – 2594794)

Bernhard Prince of Saxe-Meiningen (NSDAP – 898842)

Ernst II Duke of Saxe-Altenburg (NSDAP – 4868932)

:Georg Moritz Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Altenburg

House of Hesse

Frederick Charles Louis Constantine Prince and Landgrave of Hesse (NSDAP – 4814689)

:Philip Landgrave of Hesse (NSDAP – 418991)

:Prince Wolfgang of Hesse-Cassel (NSDAP – 1794944)

:Prince Christopher of Hesse-Cassel (SS) (NSDAP – 696176)

Chlodwig Langrave of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld

:Prince Wilhelm of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld (SS) (NSDAP – 1187621)

:Alexander Friedrich of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld (NSDAP – 1184026)

:Princess Viktoria Cacilie (NSDAP – 3515493)

Ernest Louis Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine

:Louis Prince of Hesse and by Rhine (NSDAP – 5900506)

:Georg Donatus Hereditary Grand Duke of Hesse  (NSDAP – 3766312)

Princess Cecilie of Greece and Denmark (NSDAP – 3766313)

Prince Richard of Hesse (NSDAP – 1203662)

House of Lippe

Princess Marie Adelheid of Lippe (NSDAP – 237533)

Prince Bernhard of Lippe

:Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands (NSDAP – 2583009)

:Prince Aschwin of Lippe-Biesterfeld (NSDAP – 5854038)

Leopold IV Prince of Lippe

:Ernst Hereditary Prince of Lippe (SS) (NSDAP – 88835)

:Prince Leopold Bernhard of Lippe

:Prince Chlodwig of Lippe

Wolrad Prince of Schaumburg-Lippe (NSDAP – 3681098)

Prince Stephan of Schaumburg-Lippe (NSDAP – 309344)

Prince Friedrich Christian of Schaumburg-Lippe (NSDAP – 95146)

Princess Bathildis of Schaumburg-Lippe (NSDAP – 3681097)

Others

Princess Marie-Auguste of Anhalt (NSDAP – 3452693)

Duchess Edda Charlotte of Anhalt (NSDAP – 4843880)

Duke Joachim Ernst of Anhalt (NSDAP – 7267717)

Princess Pauline of Württemberg

Nikolaus Hereditary Grand Duke of Oldenburg (NSDAP – 4085803)

Duchess Altburg of Oldenburg (NSDAP – 161001)

Josias Hereditary Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont (SS) (NSDAP – 160025)

:Princess Margarethe of Waldeck and Pyrmont (NSDAP – 8562493)

:Prince Wittekind of Waldeck and Pyrmont (Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler were his Godfathers)

House of Windsor's succession from Hohenstaufen

Frederick Barbarossa Holy Roman Emperor

Henry VI, Holy Roman Emperor

Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor

Margaret of Sicily, Wife of Albert II Margrave of Meissen

Frederick I, Margrave of Meissen

Frederick II, Margrave of Meissen

Frederick III, the Strict

Frederick I, Elector of Saxony

Frederick II, Elector of Saxony

Ernest, Elector of Saxony

Johann the Steadfast Elector of Saxony

Johann Friedrich I, Elector of Saxony

Johann Wilhelm, Duke of Saxe-Weimar

Friedrich Wilhelm I, Duke of Saxe-Weimar

Johann Philipp, Duke of Saxe-Altenburg

Princess Elisabeth Sophie of Saxe-Altenburg, Wife of Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Gotha

Frederick I, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

Frederick II, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

Frederick III, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

Ernest II, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

Augustus, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

Princess Louise of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg, Wife of Ernest III, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld

Albert, Prince Consort of Queen Victoria

King Edward VII

King George V

King George VI

Queen Elizabeth II

King Charles III

William, Prince of Wales

Prince George of Wales

Holy Roman Imperial Descent of Frederick Barbarossa

Charlemagne

Louis the Pious

Gisela

Ingeltrude

Hedwig of Babenberg

Henry the Fowler

Otto the Great

Liutgard of Saxony (died 953)

Otto of Worms

Henry of Speyer

Conrad II, Holy Roman Emperor

Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor

Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor

Agnes of Germany

Frederick II, Duke of Swabia

Frederick Barbarossa

Holy Roman Imperial Descent of Hermann I, Landgrave of Thuringia

Charlemagne

Louis the Pious

Gisela

Ingeltrude

Hedwig of Babenberg

Henry the Fowler

Otto the Great

Liutgard of Saxony (died 953)

Otto of Worms

Henry of Speyer

Conrad II, Holy Roman Emperor

Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor

Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor

Agnes of Germany

Frederick II, Duke of Swabia

Judith of Hohenstaufen

Hermann I, Landgrave of Thuringia

The Dajjal being from Britain

Is a theory among some Muslims I recently became aware of.  Starting with This YouTube Video.

I was already familiar with the Hadith that is the main basis for this theory.  A Story about some Arab sailors who wind up on an Island where they talk to a chained person claiming to be the Dajjal.  An Island estimated to be about a month from Arabia.  Of course the people promoting this theory are saying they aren't taking it entirely literally.

I imagine most mainstream theories about where this Island was meant to be located, (if it intended a real location at all), would look for it in the Arabian Sea or Indian Ocean, or further east.

Among some Judaeo-Christian Conspiracy theorists there has long been a tendency to see British Imperialism as the source of all modern evil.  Including some posts on my own Conspiracy Theory Blog.  And on this Blog in the England and Egypt post.

Before meeting Dajjal, these sailors were first greeted by a hairy man or creature.  The name he identified himself by is apparently related to the Arab word for Spying, so this is taken as a clue it's an island particularly associated with Espionage.  The British are credited with pretty much inventing modern Espionage under Queen Elizabeth I. 

Apparently this Hadith is also one of a few that seem to foretell the Sea of Galilee drying up.  Which apparently is happening now.  You've probably seen Zionists brag about how modern Israel has made the desserts Green again.  Well apparently some think their doing that is in the long term hurting the environment of Israel, and is why the Sea of Galilee is drying up.

What most bothers me here is how the use of this Hadith to basically identify the Ashkenazim with Gog and Magog can tie into the Khazzar theory, a deception I've already addressed.

But getting back to Britain.  The idea of the Dajjal being hidden on an Island at Muhammad's time, with some linking that Island to Britain, is interesting in light of some Christian theories about King Arthur having something to do with The Antichrist.  However from what I can tell none of these Muslims have made an Arthur connection themselves.

About a century before Muhammad's time was King Arthur's time.  And at the end of his Reign he is said to have not died but been taken Mortally Wounded to Avalon, from whence he will someday return when Britain needs him again.

But some theorize Avalon isn't a separate Island from Britan, but rather the area of Glastonbury, where there is a traditional site for King Arthur's Tomb.  This Hadith has the Dajjal Chained in an old place of worship, which in the context of seeing it as Britain makes it a Church or Monastery.

I have talked about Arthurian Legend quite a bit, once previously on this Blog in England and Edessa.  But I've talked about it a lot on my Nerdy Blog.  With the idea of connections between it and Arabia sort of coming up in my post about Wolfram's Parzival.

I still currently do not consider an Islamic Antichrist theory likely.  But it's interesting to keep an eye on what their theories are.

Update June 9th 2018: apparently it might be possible to draw a direct line from this Arabic lore about the Antichrist imprisoned on an Island to Cthulu.
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/uncovering-the-real-necronomicon
The comments even possibly trace it back to Plutarch and other Hellenic mythology about Saturn/Kronos being chained on an Island linked to Britain.

England and Edessa

On another blog the other day I did a post theorizing that the early traditions of Mary Magdalene going to Ephesus and the later ones taking her to southern France are perhaps explained by the first Christians of Lyon coming from Ephesus.

Since making that, I decided to look into traditions about the early Briton Church again, which as usual lead me to Simon Zelotes, the only one of the Twelve that I think could have come to Britain.  Of other traditions about where he went, I totally reject ones making him the same as Simon the Half Brother of Jesus, or the Simon who was the second Bishop of Jerusalem.  For reasons explained in my post on the Brothers and Sisters of Jesus.  Other aspects of that post may be relevant later.

He's said to have spent some time in Egypt but no claims that Egypt is where he died.  The same Disciple being linked to both Briton and Egypt could be interesting in light of my England and Egypt post.  (My calling this post England and Edsessa is kinda misleading since it's mostly about pre Anglo-Saxon Britons, but I wanted to repeat that previous double E phonetic effect.)

What's most interesting is Simon's link to Edessa, many traditions seem to also pair him with Jude//Thadeus, who is even more strongly linked to Edessa.  The associations with Aremnia and Iberia of the Caucus could have to do with Moses of Khorene treating Agbar of Edessa as part of Armenia's history.  And them being said to go to Persia may have to do with Edessa being a Parthian client kingdom during much of the first century.

The key thing is that as soon as I realized Simon Zelotes who I'd long knew was sometimes said to come to Britannia had also been associated with Edessa.  I immediately thought of how King Abgar the IX and/or X of Edessa is theorized to be who the Liber Pontificals actually meant by King Lucius of Britain.

This is more complicated then the Ephesus to Lyon connection for three reasons.

1. That a group of Christians came to Lyon from Ephesus in the Second Century is a known fact independent of thinking the development of traditions about Mary Magdelene had anything to do with it.  While here I admittedly have little to go on to prove anyone ever came from Edessa/Osroene to Britain during the time frame in question.

2. I don't necessarily think this migration is the sole or even primary origin of Briton Christianity, as the Ephesus to Lyon connection seems to be.  Tertulian and I think also Irenaus have quotes showing Christians were in Britain already before the time of Abgar IX.  And I still think Aristobulus of Romans 16 came to Britain as there are no alternate traditions for him.

3. Simon Zelotes like all of the Twelve I think did more traveling around then Mary Magdalene did, who traditions take only to Ephesus and much later France.  So maybe he individually did go to both places, (especially since he's said to have come to Britannia twice, in the early 40s and in 60), while I'm certain Mary was never actually in France.  But there are some reasons in the New Testament to think the Twelve went mainly to places with a very strong Jewish presence, which Edessa had in the first century, but Britannia did not.  Acts 2:9-11 mentions Mesopotamians and Arabians (Osroene was an Arabian kingdom in Mesopotamia) present at Pentecost, but not Britain or Gaul.  I think Paul lead the way West while the Twelve focused mainly on the East (I've already shown that Peter didn't go to Rome). I'm interested in theories of Paul coming to Britain but haven't looked that deep into it yet, the main book on it is pretty expensive.

Much of ancient Osroene was in modern Syria (but all of it East/North of the Euphrates).  But it had chunks of Iraq and modern Turkey, including Edessa itself and the city possibly responsible for the Lucius in Britain scribal Error, Birtha aka Birecik.

Bede added to the Lucius of Britain story that under him the whole country converted and remained Christian at least until the Diocletian Persecution. Elsewhere that persecution is not known to have had any notable incidents in Britain, in fact it seems it wasn't enforced in The West much at all.  But major focal points of much of it were in Turkey and in the East.  Logically, this may have been a time when many Christians in the East migrated West.

Another figure controversially associated with both Turkey and Britain is Empress Helena, but in this case it's her beginning not end that is being disputed.  The source for her being born in Nicodemia is not till the 6th Century, and seems to be based on her and Constantine's later connections to Nicodemia.  So I'm inclined to doubt she was born there.  But the problem with the much later traditions of her being born a Briton princess is that Constantius Chlorus didn't come to Britain until within a year before he died there and Constantine was already an adult.

I think maybe an overlooked clue to Helena's origin is her name.  Before her the only royal families Helena would have been a dynastic name for are Osroene and Adiabene, who intermarried with each other.  Helen of Adiabene married Abgar V of Edessa after her first husband died.  I think the two later kings of Osroene called Bar Ezad were sons of Helena's son Izates II of Adiabene probably by a daughter of Abgar.  So just as mythical Welsh genealogies make Empress Helena a descendant of Lucius of Britain, I think she may really have been a descendant of Lucius Abgar of Birecik.

Regardless of Constantine's ancestry, his descendants I think include many monarchs of the British Isles right down to the present.... but first.

Both the other wife of Constantius, and the only wife of Constanine who is ancestral to his successors, Fausta, were daughters of Eutropia.  A woman of seemingly noble origin in Roman Syria.  And so I think very likely to descend from the Near Eastern Roman aristocracy that descended from Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene and thus from the Seleucid Dynasty.  And also from daughters of the Ptolemaic Dynasty like Cleopatra Thea, Tryphenea and Cleopatra Selene.  So this post is again further backing for making British Royalty descendants of Egyptian Royalty.

Flavia Maxima Constantia, was a granddaughter of Constantine, and a descendant of both daughters of Eutropia.  She married the Western Emperor Gratian.  They are in mainstream history presumed to have had no children, but they were married for long enough, and there's a lot of time that Constantia isn't mentioned.  How she died at only 21 max isn't known, maybe she died in child birth.  If Gratian had any "legitimate" children it was by her, he died before he could even have consummated his second marriage.

Welsh traditions say that Magnus Maximus was married to a daughter of Gratian named either Helena or Ellen.  Welsh genealogies sometimes say he had two wives, one named Helena and one Ellen, one a daughter of Gratian and the other of a mysterious Eudaf.  Eudaf is a name used in other welsh texts to refer to Octavian Caesar Augustus, whether the name actually comes from Octavian or Augustus is hard to tell, but this is why the Eudaf who is a father in law of Maximus is sometimes given as a King Octavius of Britain.  Gratian's full name as Emperor was Flavius Gratainus Augustus, so I think his daughter was the only wife of Magnus Maximus.

Welsh genealogies put Magnus Maximus in the ancestry of a lot of people.  There may be a route to put him in the ancestry of the Kings of Gwynedd from whom came the Medieval princes of Wales from whom came The Tudors.  But I want to focus on the Scottish connection here.

Rigrawst was the wife of King Brychan of Brycheiniog.  Born 468 AD, she was the daughter of Gwrtheyrn ap Gwidol (Vortigern) and Severa Ferch Mascsen, the daughter of Magnus Maximus. [ Brian Daniel Starr, The Life of Saint Brychan: King of Brycheiniog and Family (Google eBook) (Brian Daniel Starr, 2008) page 59.]  Brychan himself may through his mother descended from Maximus's daughter Gratiana who is said to have married Tudwall of Galloway.

Dyfnwal Hen was a King of Strathclyde.  The Bonedd Gwŷr y Gogledd, a later genealogy of northern kings gives a modified version of Dyfnwal's family tree.^{[Bromwich, pp. 256–257]} Here, he is the son of Idnyued and the grandson of Magnus Maximus.  There are also genealogies making Dyfnwal an ancestor of Gabran mac Domangairt, father of Aeden mac Gabran, from whom descends most later royalty of Scotland, from Malcolm and Duncan of Macbeth (and possibly Macbeth himself) down to the Davids and Alexanders, then to Robert The Bruce (through his great grandmother Isobel of Huntingdon) and eventually the Stuarts including James I ancestor of all Kings of Britain since.  Brychan I've also seen listed as an ancestor of Gabran.  Malcom III of Scotland also had a daughter who was the mother of Empress Matilda and thus Grandmother of the Plantagenet Kings of England, another Daughter of Malcolm's was Mary who married Eustace III of Boulogne.

I did a post in the past on Adiabene where I theorized that Izates II or Monobaz II or both could have married Half-Sisters of Jesus.  I also have a post on Arthruain Legend and Grail Romances where I draw on that post and my Half Brothers of Jesus post and theorize that King Kalafes of Grail Legend may be based on Abgar of Edessa.  And maybe Bron was actually Izatez or Monobaz.  A daughter of Kalafes married a son of Bron who inherited his Kingdom.  I've already suggested that the Davidic Exilarchs of the Jewish Community in Mesopotamia could also descent from Abgar and Izates.  And also the Bagratid Dynasty. 

I don't think Joseph of Arimathea actually came to Britain.  But some things about the Grail legend are geographically contradictory.  For example Sarras is said to be both an island they stopped at on the way to Britain and "on the road from Jerusalem to the Euphrates and Babylon", which makes me wonder if it could be meant to be Sura, which was linked by a roman road to Palmyra in antiquity.

If Josephus is correct that the Tadmor of Solomon was Palmyra, then maybe it's allegorically what the Grail lore meant by the "Ship of Solomon", while also bringing in Celtic Pagan ideas.  When Wikipedia attempts to cast doubt on this identification, it says the Tadmor of 1 Kings 9:18 was built in Judea, that is demonstrably wrong because that verse clearly says Tadmor and Baalath were built "In the Wilderness" a term that refers to the deserts of Arabia, Jordan and Syria.  The "in the Land" phrase just means within what was was promised to Abraham which extended all the way to the Euphrates.  We know from Assyrian inscriptions that Palmyra was called Tadmor/Tadmar.

According to the Vulgate Queste del Saint Graal and Estoire del Saint Graal, Galahad is of the Lineage of Solomon via his descent from the Fisher Kings, and that is why the "Ship of Solomon" is important.  The Grail saga ends with Galahad and the Grail being taken to heaven at Sarras, and then Sir Bors lives on to tell the tale.

If Sarras is Sura then Corbenic could be identified with a city of Osroene or Adiabene.  And Castle Mortal would be another city of the same area.

The traditional timeline for King Arthur is 516-537 based on the Annals Cambrie, but Geoffrey of Monmouth and the Brute Tyslo place his death in 542.  The Exilarch at that time was Mar Ahunai, but he never operated publicly due to the fall out of his predecessor Mar Zutra II's failed rebellion (496-502 AD).  Mar Zutra II also had a son, Mar Zutra III, who became head of an academy.

The Bagratid descent would at this time be represented by the father, or grandfather or maybe even great-grandfather of Guaram I, the first Prince of Iberia.  This Guaram was the son of a Solomon son of Dahn son of Isaac son of Aser.

But perhaps the real forgotten inspiration for this was that via Empress Helena the descendants of the Agbars of Edessa becomes kings in the British Isles.

Update Nov 16 2018: Pelegius and the East.

Pulegius of the Pelegian heresy was a Briton, he lived in the late 4th and early 5th Century.  What's often over looked is how connected the Pelegian Hersey (which is today Amriniasm)  and the Nestorian controversy were.  Pelegius got a lot of his ideas from Rufinus the Syrian, and Celestine was a follower of Pelegius who's association with Nestorius was used against him by Cyril of Alexandria.

However the key difference between the Pelegians of the Latin West and the Nesotrians & other descendants of the Antiochene School in the East was that Pelegius seems to have rejected Universal Salvation while Theodore of Mopsuestia affirmed it, as did Isaac of Nineveh.  Nisibis and Edessa both specifically become home to successor schools to Antioch.

This article isn't mine but seems to be by people who support the Augustinian view of Original Sin way more then I do, interesting information comes up in the comments section as well.
https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxyandheterodoxy/2013/09/05/original-sin-and-ephesus-carthages-influence-on-the-east/

A post I made on Cyril and Nestorius.
https://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-incarnation-of-logos-and-divine.html

And one I made on Pelegius.
https://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2018/04/pelagius-was-in-error-but-it-wasnt-free.html

England and Egypt

In all this speculation about The Lost Tribes, we sometimes forget that Israel isn't the only Biblical nation The Bible foretells to be carried away captive or scattered from their original homeland.  And in Ezekiel 29-30 one of those nations is Egypt.

The extent to which the population of modern Egypt descends from the original Ancient Egyptians is a frequent subject of controversy.

I believe ethnic or so called "racial" features are determined largely by where a people live, so people living in Egypt I think would possibly in time come to look like Ancient Egyptians did regardless of how much they descend from them.  And likewise when suggesting a certain currently "White" populations may descend partly from ancient Egyptians does not mean I think Ancient Egyptians were White, I think when they lived in Egypt they were Brown or Light-Skinned Black like modern Egyptians are.

Historically the modern Population of Egypt seems to descend largely from Assyrians, Persians, Greeks and Romans and others who settled there in classical antiquity, and then Arabs who migrated there after the Islamic conquest.

It is popular to claim that Nebuchadnezzar never conquered Egypt as Jeremiah and Ezekiel foretold.  This is because Egypt is the pillar of how we research Ancient History, and so rarely do we know Egyptian history from anything other then Egyptian propaganda.  Even among the Classical historians, Herodotus just based his whole history of Egypt on what Egyptian Priests told him, and then Manetho was an Egyptian Priest, though one who had his own criticisms of Herodotus.

On another blog I've argued that Amasis was Nebuchadnezzar's governor of Egypt.  And I think Amasis conquering of Cyprus around 570 BC was really Egypt being exiled there.  After 40 years some of them returned, but perhaps not all just as not all of Judah returned after their 70 years were over.

So perhaps one of the nations it's popular to identify with the Lost Tribes is actually Mizraim?  While modern Egypt is still a head of Javan's Leopard?

I did a post on ways America could be viewed as Egypt.  Thing is much of that could overlap with England aka Great Britain aka The United Kingdom, and arguably fit them better.  Including the relationship with modern Israel to some extent.  Britam and British Israelists love to obsess over their perception that Anglo-Saxons are the most pro-semtic people.

England also had a division between north and south, York and London/Somerset.  And the interpretation of Isaiah 19 I alluded to there is one I've criticized elsewhere, so I kinda felt like cheating mentioning that.

And then there is the role of Freemasonry.  While America and Modern France are nations who's history has been shaped by Freemasonry, Britain is where Freemasonry comes from, and London is still the supreme grand lodge of all Masonry.  It was in Brittan that Cagliostro founded his Egyptian Freemasonry in 1776.  Nicolas Bonnevile was involved in Masonry in Britain before becoming a leader of the French Revolution.  Karl of Hesse-Kassel and Brunswick, leaders of German Freemasonry who also joined the Illuminati, where grandchildren of King George II.  And Albert of Saxe-Gotha who harbored Weishaupt is the ancestor of the current British Royal Family.  Mazzini was also harbored in Britain.  And Albert Pike's Freemasonry is what ruled the Confederacy, which Britain secretly supported but couldn't openly.

And it is Britain not America or Modern France that has Ancient Egypt's form of Government,  Monarchy.  Theirs is the one Monarchy the Revolutions never sought to overthrow.  And their Monarchy is firmly tied to their state religion, Anglicanism.  And it was among Anglicans of the 19th century that the desire to co-opt the Pyramid as a Christian symbol saying Enoch built it started.

England was originally seven Anglo-Saxon kingdoms that were eventually united.  In Genesis 10 Misraim had seven sons.  And with that correlation we could view York as Upper Egypt and London/Somerset as Lower Egypt, now switched geographically because in Egypt up and down were viewed differently then most places because of how The Nile works.

Many looking for Biblical significance to Modern Britain will site them being represented as a Lion, and also heraldry that shows a Lion and a Dragon.  Ezekiel 32:2 says.

Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, "Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou art as a dragon in the seas"

So that fits too.

Perhaps those whom Britam identifies with Joseph are really Misraim.  While the true identity of Joseph is as Native Americans and perhaps other Israelites wound up in America via the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, enslaved by Egypt once again.  Hosea 9:3 does say "Ephraim shall return to Egypt".

I mentioned France a couple times because there is a school of thought out there that identifies France with Egypt, spiritually at least.  This mostly comes from a desire to see France as the source of modern Atheism thanks to people like Voltaire, and the Reason worshipers of the Revolution.  And then saying that Ancient Egypt was the most Atheistic nation of antiquity.  The former accusation I could nitpick, but the latter is what is truly absurd.  Egypt was anything but Atheistic, in fact at times Ptah came close to resembling a Monotheistic concept of God.  But their main contribution to modern religious trends is Gnosticism.

During World War I, Britain's military operations in the Near East were carried out from Egypt.  You can see this demonstrated in the film Lawrence of Arabia.

Herodotus Histories Book 2:159 records that after Pharaoh Necho's victory at Megiddo, he sent his cloths to Branchidae of Miletus in Ionia for some reason.   Bill Cooper in After The Flood dates 509 BC as when the Milesians came to Ireland from Miletus.  The leaders of that colonization were already Grandparents when they reached Ireland and their mother was a daughter of Pharaoh.  Necho as Rameses II (who is confirmed to have had red hair) had plenty of daughters to spare, over 40.  And the Egyptian royal-line unlike Judah's was traditionally passed through the daughter of Pharaoh.  So perhaps the same royal line British Israelism claims to be heirs to the Throne of David, are actually heirs to the throne of Egypt?

Jeremiah 46:24 says the daughter of Egypt will be delivered to the people of the north, through their father Scota's children were traced back to Magog, The Bible associates Magog with the North.  Or it could be alluding to scattered offspring of the Northern Kingdom.

Also in After The Flood, Bill Cooper documents how all seven Anglo-Saxon royal houses traced their ancestry back to Odin.  Similar sources have lead many others to speculate a real King named Odin may have lived about 100 BC-300 AD.

I may feel the need to place Odin a little earlier then that, his worship was entrenched among Germanic peoples from Rome's very earliest contact with them during the last century BC.  Though strictly speaking the Greco-Roman sources just say they worshiped Mercury/Hermes.  Maybe they identified this deified King with that planet later.

The genealogies further traces Odin back to a Geat and then Geat back to Sceaf, only needing around 17 generations.  Bill Cooper is convinced Sceaf is Japheth, I'm not so much.  He sites one source that rendered Sceaf as Seth, and then tries to argue that Seth could be a corruption of Japheth, an argument that in the Hebrew is only them ending with the same letter.

But maybe he was Seth/Set of Egyptian Mythology?  The Egyptians did consider red hair a sign of descent from Seth.  Or perhaps this reflects the name Seti/Sethos, a Set theophoric name.

As a supporter of revised Chronology I place Seti I in 664-609 BC, and Seti II in the 570s BC.  But Seti II had a son called Seti-Merneptah who's fate is unknown.  This is the same time period as Egypt's foretold scattering.  Seti II's grandfather was Rameses II.  And the time the historical Odin is speculated to have lived could be defined as 17 generations later.  Matthew recounts 14 generations from the Captivity to Jesus, but he'd already demonstrated a willingness to skip generations.  Luke has more then that in the same time frame.

Now the Pross Edda traced Sceaf back to Memnon of Greek mythology.  That is generally viewed as something made up by the medieval writer.  But I did recently argue for the Ethiopia of Memnon and Cepheus being around Seir, where the Horites lived.  And have also argued for the gods of Egypt coming from the Horites.  And also it is known that the Ancient Greeks identified a large statue of Amenhotep III in Thebes with Memnon.

But still.  Mainly my hunch now is Sceaf/Seth identifies a Seti of the 19th Dynasty as the progenitor of Anglo-Saxon royalty.  A Seti was also one of the lesser known sons of Rameses II.  And Ramses firstborn by Nefertari (who I discussed on the revised chronology blog, linking him to Ezekiel 30) had a son named Seti.  A Seti had also been Viceroy of Kush, who may have been of the royal family since he's called a hereditary Prince.  Perhaps he's the same as one of the before mentioned Setis.

For this scenario the descent from Egypt overlaps with who I've argued elsewhere to descend from Dan.  It's interesting typologically that Leviticus 24 talks about a Blasphemous Israelite who's mother was Danite and Father was an Egyptian.  Meanwhile Scota's descendants I think intermarried with remnants of Manasseh, Asher, Zebulun & Issachar.  Manasseh's mother was also an Egyptian.

Of course it's not just English Royalty and Nobility that claims descent from Scota, it's the same with Irish and Scottish Royal and Noble houses. And descent from Odin can also be claimed by continental Royal Families of Denmark and Norway and some in Germany, there were Saxons who remained in Germany (Queen Victoria and her Husband both descended from Royalty of Saxony).  But it was in King James I that the English Crown become the one to unite these two Royal lines together.

All the ways in which British Royalty can be traced back to the Seleucid Dynasty, also involve Ptolemaic Queens and Princesses, Cleopatra Thea, Tryphanea, and the children of Anthony and Cleopatra. The Ptolemies including the most famous Cleopatra also tended to have red hair.

Possible Davidic Descent of British Royalty

The main Tea Telphi legend used by British Israelism is most likely not true.  And the means suggested by Britam doesn't hold up under scrutiny either.

But, I read something interesting on a certain Genealogy website.

http://www.geni.com/projects/Descents-from-Antiquity/12283

Pagano Ebriaci

Pagano Ebriaci (?-c1091), of Pisa, ancestor of the Christian Ebriaci family, might have been a convert from Judaism, a son of Joseph of Fustat. The relationship is conjectural, and seems to have originated in the suggestion that the surname Ebriaci means "the Hebrew". Another theory is that the name Ebriaci might derive from a Latin word meaning drunk.

If Pagano Ebriaci was a son of Joseph of Fustat, then he was a grandson of Hezekiah IV, 38th Exilarch and a descendant of King David.

Pagano Ebriaci was an ancestor of Edmund FitzAlan, 9th Earl of Arundel, through Manfredo III, marchese di Saluzzo."

EdmundFitzAlan is through his son Richard an ancestor of Henry V of England as well as Elizabeth of York, Queen-Consort of Henry VII and thus ancestor of James VI of Scotland and I of England and thus all modern British and Netherlands Royalty. Also through his Granddaughter Alice Holland, Countess of Kent he is an ancestor of Henry VII himself through his mother.

Richard FitzAlan also has more then one connection to the Dukes of Norfolk, making him an ancestor of both the current Norfolk Family and Anne & Mary Boleyn.

Elizabeth of York I have shown in an earlier post to have possible Bagartid Ancestry.

On my Conspiracy blog I have a post on The Bolyen family including Mary Bolyen's descendants.

Christians have long suspected The Antichrist could claim Davidic descent.  I think it's not impossible he could legitimately have Davidic Descent.  Two of David's direct sons were arguably types of The Antichrist, Absalom and Adonijah (one of those is more sympathetic then the other).  And even Solomon himself after he back slid is directly connected to the number 666.  And we could also look at some of the worst Kings of Judah, especially Manasseh who we're told placed Idols in the Holy Place.

There is a tradition in the Talmud that says the Messiah would be Maternally of Dan and Paternally of David.  The reverse of Samson.  Since the Anglo-Saxons and Normans both likely descend from Dan.  And the current Queen and her Husband both descend from Danish Royalty.  It looks like such a mingling is taking place.

Update 5/14/2017: I now have this sort of follow up post.