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Wednesday, August 25, 2021

Ancestry of Charlemagne

= means Siblings who had children together
& means are Siblings but didn't have children together (at least relevent to the line being covered)
+ means had children together but aren't siblings (sometimes are cousins though)
| means are same generation on genealogy but not directly connected

Charlemagne's Descent from Seleucid Dynasty (is different from the line this old post was about).

Seleucus I Nicator + Apama
Antiochus I Soter & Achaeus
Antiochus II Theos = Laodice I
Seleucus II Callinicus & Laodice wife of Mithridates II of Pontus
Antiochus III the Great + Laodice III
Seleucus IV Philopator = Laodice IV
Demetrius I Soter
Demetrius II Nicator + Cleopatra Thea
Antiochus VIII Grypus + Tryphaena
Laodice VII Thea, wife of Mithridates I Callinicus
Antiochus I Theos of Commagene
Mithridates II of Commagene & Athenais of Media Atropatene
Mithridates III of Commagene + Iotapa
Antiochus III of Commagene = Iotapa
Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene = Julia Iotapa
Julia Iotapa, wife of Gaius Julius Alexander
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Descent through Antiochus Epiphanes himself

Antiochus IV Epiphanes = Laodice IV
Laodice, wife of Mithridates V of Pontus
Mithridates VI of Pontus
Cleopatra of Pontus, wife of Tigranes The Great
[Name Unkown], wife of Mithridates of Media Atropatene
Ariobarzanes I of Media Atropatene
Artavasdes I of Media Atropatene
Mithridates III of Commagene + Iotapa
Antiochus III of Commagene = Iotapa
Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene = Julia Iotapa
Julia Iotapa, wife of Gaius Julius Alexander
Julia Iotapa (Cilician princess)
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus, Proconsul of Asia
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from the Herodian Dynasty

Antipater the Idumaean
Herod the Great
Alexander
Gaius Julius Alexander
Tigranes VI of Armenia
Gaius Julius Alexander, Ruler of Cetis in Cilicia
Julia Iotapa (Cilician princess)
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus, Proconsul of Asia
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from the Hasmoneans

The Priestly Order of Joarib
Asamoneus
Simeon
John
Mattathias
Simon Thassi
John Hyrcanus
Alexander Jannaeus + Salome Alexandra
Aristobulus II     & Hyrcanus II
Alexander          + Alexandra
Mariamne the Hasmonean, wife of Herod The Great
Alexander
Gaius Julius Alexander
Tigranes VI of Armenia
Gaius Julius Alexander, Ruler of Cetis in Cilicia
Julia Iotapa (Cilician princess)
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus, Proconsul of Asia
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from Late Roman Aristocracy of Gaul

Ferreolus, a Roman Senator
Tonantius Ferreolus (prefect)
Tonantius Ferreolus II
Tonantius Ferreolus III
Ansbert
Arnoald
Itta, wife of Pepin of Landen
Begga, wife of Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from the Merovingians

Childeric I
Clovis I
Chlothar I
Charibert I
Blithilde, wife of Ansbert
Arnoald
Itta, wife of Pepin of Landen
Begga, wife of Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from Bishops of Lyon

Tullia
Aquilinus
Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Maternal Ancestry of Charlemagne's mother's father

Irmina of Oeren
Bertrada of Prüm
Charibert of Laon
Bertrada of Laon
Charlemagne

I may update this post in the future to add more lines. 

One theory I have that I can't prove, but if true would strengthen the lines I've already looked into is that Erato of Armenia was the mother of Tigranes VI of Armenia.  I think she did marry Tigranes V during his brief reign in Armenia, then after he died did a Levirate marriage with his brother thus becoming the mother of Tigranes VI.

I've also been speculating on the possibility of a connection to the Constantinian Dynasty, cheifly I have a hunch Galla wife of Eucherius of Lyon can be connected to Constantius Gallus through his daughter Anastasia who's mother was Constantina eldest daughter of Constantine The Great.

Now the Cosntantinian Dynasty I speculate may themselves by connected to the Seleucids though Eutropia.  But also if Charlemagne was a potential heir of Constantine that adds legitimacy to his being crowned Western Roman Emperor.

Update:

Charlemagne's descent from the Sceaf

Sceaf
Bedwig
Hwala
Hrathra
itermon
Heremod
Scealdwa
Beaw
Teatwa
Geat
Godwulf
Fin
Firthuwulf
Freawine
Frealaf
Firthuwald
Odin
Sigi
Rerir
Volsung
Sigmund
Sigurd
Gunther
Gondioc
Chilperic II of Burgundy
Clotilda. wife of Clovis I
Chlothar I
Charibert I
Blithilde, wife of Ansbert
Arnoald
Itta, wife of Pepin of Landen
Begga, wife of Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Another Update 

Even more Solid Merovingian descent of Charlemagne.

Childeric I
Clovis I
Chlothar I
Charibert I
Charibert of Hesbaye husband of Wulfgurd
Robert I Bishop of Tours
Lambert I of Hesbaye
Robert II Lord Chanceler of France
Lambert II of Hesbaye
Rotrude of Hesbaye wife of Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Update September 22nd 2023:

More solid Descent from Seleucids, and improves other earlier claims of this post as well.

Seleucus I Nicator + Apama
Antiochus I Soter & Achaeus
Antiochus II Theos = Laodice I
Seleucus II Callinicus & Laodice wife of Mithridates II of Pontus
Antiochus III the Great + Laodice III
Seleucus IV Philopator = Laodice IV
Demetrius I Soter
Demetrius II Nicator + Cleopatra Thea
Antiochus VIII Grypus + Tryphaena
Laodice VII Thea, wife of Mithridates I Callinicus
Antiochus I Theos of Commagene
Mithridates II of Commagene & Athenais of Media Atropatene
Mithridates III of Commagene + Iotapa
Antiochus III of Commagene = Iotapa
Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene = Julia Iotapa
Julia Iotapa, wife of Gaius Julius Alexander
Gaius Julius Alexander Berenicianus
Julia Cassia Alexandra wife of Gaius Avidius Heliodorus
Gaius Avidius Cassius, Usurper Emperor in 175 AD
Avidia Cassia Alexandra
Claudia Vettia Agrippina
Claudia wife of Claudius Capitolinus Bassus, proconsul of Asia
Claudia Capitolina
Amnia Demetrias wife of Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlamagne's descent from Caesar Augustus

Octavius Caesar Augustus
Julia The Elder
Julia The Younger
Aemilia Lepida
Junia Lepida
Cassius Lepidus
Cassia Lepida
Julia Cassia Alexandra wife of Gaius Avidius Heliodorus
Gaius Avidius Cassius, Usurper Emperor in 175 AD
Avidia Cassia Alexandra
Claudia Vettia Agrippina
Claudia wife of Claudius Capitolinus Bassus, proconsul of Asia
Claudia Capitolina
Amnia Demetrias wife of Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from Longinus

Gaius Cassius Longinus, Ides of March
Gaius Cassius Longinus
Gaius Cassius Longinus
Gaius Cassius Longinus, Consul Suffectus Consul in 30 AD
Cassius Lepidus
Cassia Lepida
Julia Cassia Alexandra wife of Gaius Avidius Heliodorus
Gaius Avidius Cassius, Usurper Emperor in 175 AD
Avidia Cassia Alexandra
Claudia Vettia Agrippina
Claudia wife of Claudius Capitolinus Bassus, proconsul of Asia
Claudia Capitolina
Amnia Demetrias wife of Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Wednesday, July 5, 2017

The Books of Tobit and Judith

Originally I was going to do this on my Revised Chronology blog.  But the theories about these books relevant to that are mainly the ones I'm going to be the most critical of.

I don't consider them Canon, as I already explained in my post on the Deutercanonical Books.  But they can be historically interesting to contemplate.

These books have in common being clearly mainly fictional narratives, that at least in the forms we have them contain some difficult to explain geographical errors, and much more so with Judith, apparent historical anachronisms.

Damien F Mackey attempts to explain the geographical issues in Tobit by saying Media is actually regions in Arabia, (Midian, Medan, Medina).  However this ignores the context of it clearly being about the deported Northern Israelites.  II Kings is clear, many were taken to Media and all of then to east of the Euphrates.

 I've mentioned before about how Tobit as we know it is the product of a time where First Cousin marriages were strongly encouraged.  But I also have reasons to suspect Tobias's bride maybe wasn't his cousin originally before it was revised.

With the references to Ahikar we are told exactly how he fits into Tobit's genealogy, even though that character is only someone refereed to and not really part of the story (like the Author of Tobit wanted to create a Shared Apocryphal Universe).  However we're not told how Sarah or her father Raguel fit into it, just that she is Tobias' cousin somehow.  That could be consistent with her being a cousin being a detail added to the text later.

Sarah is the Hebrew word for Princess.  According to Herodotus it was around the time frame depicted in this book that the first King of Media lived.  And she is living in Ecbatane the capital of Media.  Could the original narrative have been about Tobias marrying a Median Princess?  And maybe the book of Judith calls the king of Media Arphaxad because they descended from Arphaxad via deported Northern Israelites?

The last verse of the book refers to the fall of Nineveh to "Nabuchodonosor and Assuerus".  A lot of people assume Ahasuerus here is another name for Cyaxares I of Media.  But there is evidence his son and future successor Astyages was also involved in the taking of Nineveh, and Nebuchadnezzar was also at that time the Crown Prince of his father Nabopolassar.  Ahasuerus being a name for Astyages would agree with Josephus calling the Darius son of Ahasuerus of Daniel 5 a son of Astyages.  Which in turn agrees with that Darius being the same as Cyaxares II of Xenophon's Cyropedia.

Damien F Mackey's theory about The Book of Judith is that the "Nebuchadnezzar" of that book is really Sennacherib under his Babylonian Throne Name.  And that this is the same attempted invasion of Judah recorded in 2 Kings and Isaiah 36-39.  My main problem with that theory is Judith doesn't record an Angel destroying Assyria's Army.

His argument for this largely begins with theorizing that the Ahikar of Tobit and the Story of Ahikar is the same person as Achior of the Book of Judith.  I see why those names seem kind of similar, but not enough to be a smoking gun.

The revised Chronology comes into it via saying Sennacherib is the same as Nebuchadnezzar I of Babylon, conventionally dated to the end of the 12th century BC.  And if I were still inclined to agree with that theory, I'd consider identifying Holofernes, a name often said to seem Egyptian, with Horemheb based on Velikvosky's view of Horemheb.  But I'm not.

Three major mainstream theories about what historical context might have inspired Judith are Nebuchadnezzar as Artaxerxes III, as Ashurbanipal and as Tigranes The Great of Armenia.  Of those three the Ashurbanipal one is the main one I want to talk about here briefly.

It speculates the lack of a King in Judah is because it's while King Manasseh was being held in Babylon.  Which makes it interesting that Judith is called the Widow of a Manasseh. The only wife of King Manasseh mentioned in Scripture is Meshullemeth the mother of King Amon.  But the Kings of Judah frequently practiced Polygamy.  And some have speculated the name of Judith itself to be a symbol or code, as a feminine from of the name of the Southern Kingdom.

And since Tobit lived to see the fall of Nineveh, Ahikar could likewise have lived into the reign of Ashurbanipal.

Even if I were willing to consider changing when Nebuchadnezzar I lived.  He actually fits the time of Ashurbanipal better.  Ashurbanipal's brother Shamam-shum-ukin was King of Babylon during some of his reign.  A similar event involving a statue of Marduk being returned to Babylon transpires during this period.  Nebuchadnezzar I celebrated a victory over Elam that seems similar to Ashurbanipal's.  And Nebuchadnezzar I conquered the "land of the Amorites" which could well refer to Canaan, where the Amorites originally came from, even Jerusalem specifically was sometimes linked to the Amorites.

However my own revised chronology theories generally leave the Mesopotamian Kings Lists unaltered, as supported by Vellikvosky's own writing about Hamurabi and the 12th Dynasty of Egypt.

The city or village refereed to as Bethulia, which is not otherwise known to have existed but seems to be near Jerusalem, I think is possibly meant to be Bethlehem.  Both names begin with Beth. Bethulia seems to come from a Hebrew word for Virgin, Micah 4-5 tells us Bethlehem is where The Messiah will be born.  And in the context of my argument that Bethlehem is Zion which is the City of David, three Bible verses refer to the Bethulah daughter of Zion, (2 Kings 19:21, Isaiah 37:22 and Lamentations 2:13).  Micah 4-5 also refers to the Daughter of Zion giving birth in Bethlehem.  And if Judith was a wife of King Manasseh, it ties into the element of Bethlehem remaining a city linked to the house of David all through the Kingdom Period.

Now for my own personal theory.

Today a Jewish tradition has developed to read the Book of Judith during Hanukkah.  And to identify the character of Holofernes with Nicanor, both wind up beheaded for example.  I haven't yet however read any theory that the Maccabees were the original inspiration for the book.  But Judith 4:3 does seem to allude to The Temple being recently rededicated following a desecration. 

Syria is a Greek name derived form Assyria, so calling the Seleucid Empire an Assyrian Empire is just as valid as calling the Ptolemies Egypt.  And the Megalit Antiochus conflates the different Seleucid kings together in a way that explains how Judith could have one Assyrian ruler ruling over the entire career of Nicanor.

Who is Judith in this context?  Well in II Maccabees in particular in 14:24, Nicanor seems to be attracted to Judas Maccabeus.  Judith is the feminine form of the name Judah, which often becomes Judas in Greek Texts.

Did the author(s) of the book of Judith swap out a woman for Judas because of heteronormativity?  Or is it the product of some tradition the more mainstream historians who wrote the books of Maccabees and whatever other sources Josephus used would have ignored, that Judas Maccabeus was what we'd today call a Trans Woman?

Of course a potential Queer subtext for the Book of Judith on it's own is Judith and her unnamed maid.  If I made a film based on the story, I'd rename the city of Bethulia as Bethlehem, and give the name Bethulia to the maid.

Update July 2018: Or maybe it makes more sense to interpret Judas as a Trans Masculine rather then a Trans Woman?

It is natural that one's first assumption is such an Ancient History would record a Trans Person under their Assigned Gender, and it'd be left to something more poetic to regard their true identity.  But those assumptions could be wrong.

Whatever their true inner Identity or assigned Biology was, Judas Maccabeus was definitely publicly presenting as male during his political and military career.  And Judas was regarded as being particularly Masculine, and that it seems is what Nicanor was attracted to.

Wednesday, February 10, 2016

Does the Book of Maccabees claim a different origin for Purim?

The books of Mccabees tend to be most interesting to us for telling the story of the origin of Hanukkah and of Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilling prophecies presumed to be about him from Daniel.  Once he's dead and the Dedication is celebrated we tend to stop reading besides occasionally taking interest in those letters from Sparta for Lost Tribes/Dan/Edom speculation.

Chapter 7 of First Maccabees begins with Demetrius taking the Seleucid throne.  This is the person who arguably should have been King the whole time, who's birthright was usurped by Epiphanes.  You'd think it'd be in his interest then to relate to others wronged by Epiphanes, like the Jews.  But no, he decided pretty quickly he wants Judea back in his empire.  And treasonous Jews who'd usurped the High Priesthood encourage him in doing so.  Nicanor is still one of the chief Seleucid generals.

I encourage you to read the entire Chapter.  I shall copy here starting from verse 33.  This is BTW the King James translation.
After this went Nicanor up to mount Sion, and there came out of the sanctuary certain of the priests and certain of the elders of the people, to salute him peaceably, and to shew him the burnt sacrifice that was offered for the king.  But he mocked them, and laughed at them, and abused them shamefully, and spake proudly, and sware in his wrath, saying, "Unless Judas and his host be now delivered into my hands, if ever I come again in safety, I will burn up this house: and with that he went out in a great rage."
 Then the priests entered in, and stood before the altar and the temple, weeping, and saying, "Thou, O Lord, didst choose this house to be called by thy name, and to be a house of prayer and petition for thy people: Be avenged of this man and his host, and let them fall by the sword: remember their blasphemies, and suffer them not to continue any longer."
 So Nicanor went out of Jerusalem, and pitched his tents in Bethhoron, where an host out of Syria met him.  But Judas pitched in Adasa with three thousand men, and there he prayed, saying, "O Lord, when they that were sent from the king of the Assyrians blasphemed, thine angel went out, and smote an hundred fourscore and five thousand of them.  Even so destroy thou this host before us this day, that the rest may know that he hath spoken blasphemously against thy sanctuary, and judge thou him according to his wickedness."
 So the thirteenth day of the month Adar the hosts joined battle: but Nicanor's host was discomfited, and he himself was first slain in the battle.  
Now when Nicanor's host saw that he was slain, they cast away their weapons, and fled.  Then they pursued after them a day's journey, from Adasa unto Gazera, sounding an alarm after them with their trumpets.  Whereupon they came forth out of all the towns of Judea round about, and closed them in; so that they, turning back upon them that pursued them, were all slain with the sword, and not one of them was left.  Afterwards they took the spoils, and the prey, and smote off Nicanors head, and his right hand, which he stretched out so proudly, and brought them away, and hanged them up toward Jerusalem.
 For this cause the people rejoiced greatly, and they kept that day a day of great gladness.  Moreover they ordained to keep yearly this day, being the thirteenth of Adar.  Thus the land of Juda was in rest a little while.
I'm accusing it of presenting a different origin not simply another deliverance on the same day because it records them referencing back to a past deliverance of Israel, Isaiah 36, in the days of Sennacherib and Hezekiah.  Which is a cool story to remember but you'd think he'd also remember the deliverance from Haman's scheme that happened at this same time of year?  And because it later says they ordained this day.

Nicanor and his men's bodies are hanged up, just like Haman and his sons.

Now I believe Esther over Maccabees because I consider the Masoretic Text, not the Septuagint, God's Word.  In a lot of ways 1 Maccabees is clearly propaganda of the Hasmonean Dynasty, it may be they wanted to claim the origin of the holiday.

Which then makes me wonder, going back to all the debates about if Hanukkah is Biblical or not.  And how I believe Haggai 2 ties into Hanukkah.  What if these books are lying about it's origin too?  But the older account just keeps getting overlooked.  What if Haggai 2 is the real origin of Hanukkah?

2 Maccabees does tell a very different story about the fate of Nicanor in chapters 14 and 15.  But also claims it the origin of the 13th of Adar holiday.

Sunday, October 18, 2015

Possible Hasmonean ancestry of The Virgin Mary

I've already explained why Heli is the Father of Mary.  That combined with my hunch that the solution to the Kenen issue is that Kenen was Selah's older brother by some 15 or so years and Selah married Kenen's daughter.  Leads me to conclude that Luke 3's genealogy sometimes records the descent through a woman, but keeps it patriarchally expressed by listing the woman's husband as the son in law of her father.  Joseph is distinct because he is the only one who is NOT a biological ancestor of Jesus, thus he alone lacks the Greek definite article.

This can also explain the issue regarding the father of Shealtiel.  I think a daughter of Neri married Shealtiel son of Jechoniah, then he died without an heir and so she married his brother Pedaiah and had Zerubbabel.  There is also the issue that neither New Testament son of Zerubbabel is named in his Old Testament genealogy in 1 Chronicles 3:19.   Matthew is definitely skipping generations sometimes, so Abiud could be a grandson or great grandson or further (the possibility that Abiud is a weird Greek form of Akkub of 1 Chronicles 3:24 has entered my mind).  And in the context of what I'm arguing here about Luke's genealogy, 1 Chronicles 3:19 does say Zerubbabel had a daughter, Shelomith, so I think she married Resha.

So my theory is when Heli is called a Son of Matthat it could mean son in law, and so on, but not always of course.

An interesting name in Luke 3:24 is Janna.  Janna is a very rare Hebrew name, and the only recorded example of the name around the time this Janna would have lived is the Hasmonean King Alexander Jannaeus.  Again I suspect the Joseph he's described as the son of could be his wife's father.

The only known wife of Alexander Jannaeus was Queen Salome Alexandra (Shelomtzion or Shlom Tzion).  Josephus tells us nothing about her family, but rabbinic traditions recorded in the Talmud say she was the sister of Simeon bar Shetah, Simeon's father was Shetah bar Yossei.  Since the Talmud is oral traditions written down at least 300 years after Salome's time it could be the nature of her relation to this family had slipped by a generation, making Simeon her nephew and Shetah her brother.  Since Yossei is a different form of Joseph, that would make Alexander Jannaeus a son in law of a Joseph.  Actually I can't help but suspect the Shetah generation is made up entirely since no Shetah was ever Nasi of the Sanhedrin but a Jose ben Joezer was, (however another candidate for the Joseph Luke 3:24 is Jose ben Jochanan).

Epiphanius of Salamis in Panarion Book 1 in the section discussing the Nazoreans seems to identify the marriage of Alexander and Salome as uniting the Aaronic and Davidic lines.

This family was one of the leading families of the Sanhedrin, from what I know about other leading families of the Sanhedrin (like the House of Hilel which came later), they often had Davidic ancestry.  And once the Hasmoneans started ruling as Kings it would make sense they'd want to marry into the House of David.  And the two Husbands of Alexandra were the first two to rule as Kings.  So Yossei being a descendant of Nathan Ben David is reasonably plausible.  But I have a hunch the mother Alexander & Aristobolus and wise of Hyrcanus I was also of Davidic descent.

Actually another good reason for Hasmonean leaders to marry daughters of David was perhaps simply because they were the High Priests.  Aaron's wife was Elisheba, the sister of Nashon who was a prince of Judah and direct ancestor of Boaz and thus David.  Much later Jehosheba was a daughter Jehoram and sister of Ahaziah, king of Judah of the House of David, who married the Priest Jehoiada.

Salome and Jannaeus had two sons, Hyrcanus II and Aristoblus II.  From then on with few exceptions all the Hasmoneans are known only by Greek names, but I suspect most also had Hebrew names that Josephus simply neglected to record.

But Melchi may not even be the main Hebrew name of whoever is meant, it derives from the Hebrew word for King.  Both sons had been Kings, though I feel Aristobulus II was more likely to have used Melek as an alternate name.

Aristobulus II had two sons and two daughters one of whom was named Alexandra (not to be confused with the Alexandra who married her brother Alexander).  Himself, his son Matthias Antigonus II, and his daughters are recorded as being taken to Rome by Pompey after he captured Jerusalem in 63 BC according to Josephus (Antiquities of The Jews Book 14 Chapter 4, at the end of the chapter).  They later returned to Judea, after the death of Aristobulus II in 48 BC they were protected by Ptolemy Bar Mennaeus according to (Antiquities Book 14 Chapter 7, at the very end).  Phillipon the son of Ptolemy married Alexandra, but later Ptolemy killed him and married Alexandra himself.  The unnamed daughter after Antigonus died held the Hyrcania Fortress till just before Actium in 31 BC.

I suspect the unnamed sister is more likely to have possibly been married to a Levi, (or perhaps that name just signified marrying a Levite or a Levitical priest).

Robert Graves started a fringe theory that involved Matthias Antigonus II as the Matthat of Luke 3:24 (a theory defended in a book called Herodian Messiah).  His scheme however did not match a strict literal interpretation of Scripture and so I do not intend to support it specifically at all.

Janna was a rare name which is why I think it could be significant.  Matthat/Matthias/Matthew was very common however, so that's not as significant.  Still hypothetically if this Matthat was Antigonus II, we know pater-lineally only one generation comes between him and Jannaeus, so it would mean he married either his niece or a first cousin once removed.  Neither of which are included in The Bible's incest restrictions, so it would be perfectly legal.

In John 8:48 Jesus is accused of being both a Samaritan and Demon Possessed, he denies being Demon Possessed but not being a Samaritan.

I talked in the Heli post about why Heli could be an alternate name for a Jehoiakim, and how Jehoiakim was in some traditions the father of Mary.  Jehoiakim is also a fairly rare name, so it's interesting that the Samaritan records claim a Jehoiakim was their High-Priest at about this very time period, (number 38).

That connection is a tenuous one however.  But Matthias Antigonus is known to have had at least one daughter.

The Herodian Messiah theory alluded to above is dependent on confusing the two wives of Antipater.  Mariamne III who was a daughter of Aristobulus IV, and an unnamed wife who was a daughter of Matthias Antigonus.  The Herodian Messiah theory makes Antipater the husband of Mary and father of Jesus.  My theory makes a daughter of Antigonus possibly Mary's mother, not Mary herself.

I've actually expressed elsewhere my suspicion that the claims of Herod being an Idumean may have been propaganda against him.  Though his official claim to Exilarch descent is also very likely to be propaganda.  I certainly reject the assumption that the Idumeans were Edomite, I view them as Ishmaelite (with a possible Simeonite element), and Antipater did have Idumean descent through his mother. The relationship between Herod and Costobarus suggests to me that Herod didn't think of himself as Idumean at all.

Antipater is a Greek name, so Antipater son of Herod could have had an additional Hebrew or Aramaic name that history hasn't recorded.

It's possible this woman wasn't the only daughter of Antigonus II.  And it's also possible she was already a widow when she was married to Antipater, if Antigonus himself had ever arranged a marriage for her it wouldn't be likely to have been to a Herodian.

I think one factor in why Luke laid out this genealogy how he did was because of the potential significance in the numbers.  Luke's genealogy has Jesus as the 77th from Adam and 70th from Enoch.

Sunday, May 17, 2015

Hanukkah is a Biblical Holy Day

I've seen one random online forum filled with Christians really offended by the notion that Jesus was observing Hanukkah in John 10:22-23.  "And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.  And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch."

They insist Jesus could not have been observing a Holy Day never actually ordained in The Hebrew Bible.  That Daniel foretells the history that produced Hanukkah isn't enough for them.

They insist this "dedication" refers either to the second of Adar when the Second Temple was first dedicated.  Or to how Solomon originally Dedicated the Temple with an expansion of Tabernacles to 14 days, and feel that's backed up by this following John 7-9.

The latter requires expanding the definition of Winter, (maybe so does the former, but sometimes Adar can fall during a pretty cold period).  But the point is it doesn't say the anniversary of the dedication, it said the Feast of Dedication was being observed.  The 25th of Kislev is the only Feast the Jews ever celebrated by that name.

Also I firmly believe the Expansion of the Festival Solomon did was the prior week not the following Week, since it clearly defines the 22nd as the day the Festival ended, and the 23rd as the day everyone went home.  Also 2 Chronicles 7:9 says "And in the eighth day they made a solemn assembly: for they kept the dedication of the altar seven days, and the feast seven days." Which clearly defines the extra 7 days as coming first.

The only objection offered to it being the prior week is the assumption of Yom Kippr being a Fast Day.  The Bible never links the word Fast to Yom Kippur, in fact God expressed disapproval of annual Fast Days in Zachariah.  The basis for making Yom Kippur a fast day is that the people were to "afflict your souls", fasting is a way to do that but not the only way (Jesus was afflicting His soul without fasting in Gethsemane).  Either way it would be merely the 2nd or 3rd day of a two week festival being toned down by people doing whatever they feel is best to keep that command.  Besides with what is supposed to go on in The Temple that day I could easily see it being treated as part of the Festival.

As far as the lack of Old Testament precedent they complain about, leaving Daniel aside for a moment.

Haggai 2:10-23 is a revelation God gave to Haggai on the 24th of Kislev, and it foretells that very day being a time to rededicate the Temple.  Reading 1 Maccabees chapter 4 (it's at the end pretty much) it would seem the 24th was the day they were actually done rebuilding and cleansing everything, the 25th was the day the new Sacrifices were made.

The whole "Menorah burning for 8 days on 1 day's worth of oil" is a made up fairy tale from much later tradition.  2 Maccabees 10:1-8 tells us it was an 8 day festival because it was done in the manner of the Feast of Tabernacles.  Some have conjectured the original logic was a counterpart for Tabernacles of the Second Passover law from Numbers 9.  One reason to make it two months later rather then one would be the Eight Month's affiliation with The Feast of Jeroboam.  But if that was the only factor it'd have been on the 15th not the 25th.  Haggai's prophecy I'm convinced is why this was when it was whether they knew it or not.  Actually the text of Haggai in question discuses the same issues that make Second Passover necessary in Numbers 9, and since Haggai's previous vision was during Tabernacles, it seems valid to interpret him as validating a Second Tabernacles Law.

The Hebrew word Hanukkah (Dedication) first appears in The Bible in Number 7:84&88 ("Dedicating" was used twice much earlier in the same chapter) this Chapter is about the original Dedication of the Tabernacle and may be one likely drawn on at the first Hanukkah.  That right after this Aaron is instructed to light The Menorah could be the original reason The Menorah became important to Hanukkah.

Also if you do the math in Genesis, the 26th or 27th of Kislev is when the 40 days of rain that caused the Flood stopped.  And it's been popular to see the Nine Candle Menorah of Hanukkah foreshadowed by Zechariah 4.

Back to Daniel, some people, especially those who want to late date Daniel but knowing they can't make it too late due to DSS manuscripts.  Will insist it discuses Antiochus Epiphanes and his persecution, but not the Maccabees actual victory.

Daniel 11:32 "And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits."  One Bible I have in it's marginal footnotes suggests "Take Action" as an alternate translation of "do exploits".

But more directly relevant to the idea of The Re-dedication being Biblical is Daniel 8:13-14.
"Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?  And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred mornings and evenings; then shall the  sanctuary be cleansed."
The Number 2300 mornings and evenings (1150 days) is the main reason this verse in it's details I feel applies more to Antiochus then The Antichrist, I like Chris White's explanation of it, It does fit to say the time from Antiochus' Abomination first being set up until the Maccabees rededicated The Temple.  But it's pretty hard to make it line up perfectly with Revelation where it's always 1260 days or 42 months being mentioned.

The point is, that the Cleansing of The Temple in 164 BC was part of Bible Prophecy.

Josephus talks about the origin of Hanukkah in Antiquities of The Jews, Book 12, Chapter 7 in section 6 and 7, the last part of the chapter.  He there directly links it to Daniel's Prophecy, which I will admit the Books of Maccabees failed to do.

An argument might also be made that John 10 doesn't tell us Jesus was celebrating or observing Hanukkah, He just happened to be there at that time.

During His ministry I find it interesting that Jesus was in Jerusalem only on Holy Days, with John in particular linking Holy Days to anytime He was even in Judea.  In fact in the entire Gospel account of his life the only time we are told He was in Jerusalem when it wasn't specifically a Holy Day was to fulfill the Torah's law about being presented in The Temple 40 days after His Birth.

I'm convinced every detail of Scripture is there for a reason, and The Holy Spirit wanted us to take note of the fact that Jesus was in Jerusalem during Hanukkah.

I rant more against anti-Hanukkah Christians here.

Update 1/11/2016:  I've found a site online called "Why Yahshuah Refused to Celebrate Hanukkah".

First of all "Yahshuah" is an interpretation of how to properly render Yeshua affiliated with a peculiar brand of the Sacred Name movement.  So be warned.

First this site claims John 7 is about Hanukkah, (it talks about the connection between Tabernacles and Hanukkah that I talk about above), then says the John 10 reference is just continuing the same narrative.  However an unqualified reference to Tabernacles always means the Tishri celebration just as an unqualified reference to a Feast of Dedication means the Kislev one.  And John 10:22-23 stylistically is clearly the start of a new incident that clearly dates itself to a different time then what came just before.

This site actually claims The Jews of this period stopped observing Tishri Tabernacles all together and just replaced it with Hanukkah.  There is no evidence of that, 2 Maccabees 10:6-7 says it was observed in the manner of Tabernacles but in no way says it replaced that feast.

Josephus has I'm pretty sure made clear references to Tabernacles still being observed in Tishri at this time.   When Josephus describes the origin of Hanukkah which I mentioned above he doesn't mention the link to Tabernacles that only 2 Maccabees directly makes (Josephus seemed to only know 1 Maccabees) and only called it the Festival of Lights.  So it's highly unlikely Josephus ever meant that any time he refereed to Tabernacles.

After making that argument they make a thing out of Jesus refusing to go up to the Feast when it started.  Then says when He did show up He condemned them for not following The Law.

Read John 7 more carefully, He did go up at the same time his brothers did more or less, but was simply in secret till the midst of the Feast.  And what Jesus talks about at this time the site misrepresents completely.  He was observing that Feast as much as He was Passover during the Passion Week, where he also argued with the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Thursday, February 19, 2015

Rob Skiba on Christmas and Hanukkah

Rob Skiba has spoken out on feeling that Christians need to stop celebrating Christmas and doing the Pagan practices linked to it.

 I agree with what he says mostly.  He also says it's good to do some sort of truly Godly celebration at that time year, like Hanukkah, but without the Rabbinic additions to it.

Here is where I think he's wrong.  He seems to feel that even when you remove Santa and the Tree and all the other Secular Christmas traditions that have pagan roots, and sing only the purely Jesus centered Christmas hymns.  It's still bad to do it as a celebration of Christ's birth since the date is wrong.  That even reading the Biblical Nativity Narrative on the premise of it being "Christmas Time" is sacrilegious.  That somehow those 4 chapters of Scripture, the beginnings of two of the Gospels, should only be read on the correct anniversary of when those events happened.

As a minor note I could mention Chuck Missler's augment that you're being unwittingly Amillennial if you sing Joy to The World as a Christmas song.  If the events behind Hanukkah were a foreshadowing of the defeat of The Antichrist then I say that makes it a very good time to sing "Let Earth receive her King".  Though I believe the actual fulfillment of Revelation 19 will be in Nisan.

I'm not gonna get into that some people are out there arguing the traditional date is in fact correct, 25th being the claimed Birth Date goes back to Hipplytus and they have an answer to the shepherds objection..  And they point out that the Pagan Holiday is the Winter Solstice the 21st-23rd.  The 25th did not become the birth date of Sol Invictus until the mid 4 Century.  Satan was early on trying to lay seeds for the Christ Myth nonsense, like that 4th Century stone that has Dionysus name next to an image of a man being Crucified.

I'm not gonna endorse that argument since I don't believe that's when Jesus was born, but I have come to believe that December 25th specifically (not just as part of a broad season or festival) was a Biblical Holy Day (coming from the 25th of Kislev) before a Pagan one.  Satan has made Pagan holidays to correlate to the Spring and Fall feasts too.  He wants to Steal what is God's.  But I agree with Skiba and others that Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets which fell on September 11th 3 BC.

But more importantly it's God's Word, every Jot or Tittle of it is good for any day.  And for everything wrong with the Secular Christmas celebration, it is a good thing if people feel compelled to read those important Scriptures because of that celebration.

He compares celebrating Christ's birth on the wrong date to the Israelites at Sinai calling the Golden Calf the God that delivered them out of Egypt.  That's an absurd comparison to me.  If the Israelites had said some random date near the Summer Solstice not the 14-15 of Nisan was when God delivered them out of Egypt, that would be comparable.  What would make Christmas comparable to that incident is if we pointed at an image of Santa (Odin) and said "That is Jesus".

Also for Christmas we celebrate the entire Nativity Narrative, that did not all take place on the same day.  It spans I believe over two and a half years.  From Gabriel appearing to Zacharias in the Summer of 4 BC to the Death of Herod in January of 1 BC.  In fact the Birth itself isn't in Matthew at all.

Purim is another Biblical Holy Day, ordained by The Book of Esther.  Everything in Esther is commemorated on the three days affiliated with Purim, around the middle of Adar.  The most climactic scenes of which actually took place during the Passover Season.

I believe, based on supporting the same date of Jesus Birth that Skiba does, that two Hanukkah seasons were involved in the Nativity narrative.  4 and 2 BC (Hanukkah can fall right where our calender changes years).

For 4 BC would be the Conception of Jesus.  Which in the Nativity narrative is the Annunciation, followed very soon after by the Visitation.  When the events of Matthew 1 takes places is the hardest to pin down.  Luke says Mary stayed with Elizabeth for three months.  That's till right about when she'd have given birth to John.  The question is only did she inform Joseph before or after she went to see Elizabeth?

If Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets, the First of Tishri.  Then the basic concept of a pregnancy being 9 months would lead one to look to the Conception happening on the First of Tevet, which is part of the Eight day Hanukkah festival, and interestingly the day Esther was made Queen in 2:16-17.

Going with September 11th Gregorian date, and a 259-280 day Gestation period (a strict 9 month Pregnancy would be 270 days).  That gives us (assuming no leap year) December 5th to December 26th, with December 15 being perhaps the best date.  Hanukkah can fall anytime time during that period, but also before or after it.

Christians who care a great deal about being Pro-Life should consider Jesus Conception not Birth the true day of the Incarnation.

As for two years latter.  I believe based on the research of others who view Jupiter as the Star of Bethlehem, that when the Magi arrived in Bethlehem was probably on the 27th of Kislev in 2 BC.  The Third day of Hanukkah.  Basically all the core events of Matthew's Nativity narrative I believe were in Kislev and/or Tevet.

One more note, Rob Skiba likes to consider Apocryphal works like Jasher and Enoch and Jubilees valid sources, when it suits him at least, he puts them almost right up there with Scripture.  Well in Jubilees Noah told his children to celebrate feasts on the New Moons of the 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th Months, which roughly equate to the Solstices and Equinoxes.  And as commemorating the Flood on the 17th of the 2nd (either after Exodus) month.  Which correlates to Halloween.

Wednesday, August 6, 2014

Genealogy of The Antichrist: Descent from Antiquity

This is a family tree I made myself of the royal family of Commagene and placed on my Flickr account

I need to update it. What I know now that I didn't know then was that Gaius Julius Alexander Berenicianus, listed there as a maternal grandson of Antiochus IV of Commegene and paternal grandson of Tigranes VI of Armenia, had married a woman named Cassia Lepida. Her mother is unknown but her father was Cassius Lepidus, the son of Junia Lepida and Gaius Cassius Longinus, who was Consul suffectus in 30 A.D. (The year I date the Crucifixion) and a direct descendant of the Gaius Cassius Longinus who was one of the assassins of Julius Caesar on the Ides of March 44 B.C. Junia Lepida was a descendant of Augustus's granddaughter Julia the Younger.

Berenicianus and Cassia Lepida had a daughter named Julia Cassia Alexandria who married Gaius Avidius Heliodorus. Their son was Gaius Avidius Cassius who was a brief Roman Usurper of the 2nd Century A.D. He had three children, Avidius Heliodorus, Avidius Maecianus, and Avidia Alexandra.

Tigranes VI of Armenia was of direct pater-lineal descent from Herod The Great and the Hasmoneans as shown in these family trees I made.
Herodian Dynasty
Hasmonean Dynasty

The next two family trees aren't my own, but taken from tyndalehouse, a very good site on the Ptolemaic Dynasty (Which intermarried with the Seleucids) though I disagree with them on some things.
Seleucid Family Tree
Continuation of Seleucid and Ptolemaic Lines

Now there is a new Seleucid-Genealogy website. They disagree with the Tyndale site on some things.  Their different take on the Acheaus line intrigues me.[Now we have to use the Wayback Machine for it.]
"The most complete proposal for a DFA is the Bagratid one. The route starts with Arsaces, the first of the Arsacids, flourishing ca. 250 BC. One of his descendants, king Tiridates III of Armenia, who reigned early in the 4th century, is known to have been ancestor of Nerses the Great. The latter's son Sahak I was the father-in-law of Hamazasp I, an Armenian ruler from the Mamikonian dynasty. Then the line can be traced, though not with certainty, to a much later Mamikonian, Samuel II of Armenia, whose son-in-law was Smbat VIII Bagratuni, Constable of Armenia and forefather of all the living Bagratids. The advantage of this route is that its crucial links (from Arsacids to Gregorids, from Gregorids to Mamikonids, and from Mamikonids to Bagratids) may be corroborated by near-contemporary sources, dating to within a century after the key marriages took place."
 The Above used to be on Wikipedia's Descent from Antiquity page. Wikipedia currently doesn't number any Smbat as VIII, but it's not uncommon for these numberings to be different in different sources.  The Son in Law of Samuel II of Armenia is currently numbered as Smbat VII.  Also the person called Sahak I above is more commonly known as Isaac of Armenia.

Ruben I who founded the Roupenian Dynasty of Armenian Cilicia in the Eleventh Century is generally agreed to have been a Bagratid relative and probably also descended from Smbat.  Later Gabriel of Melitene is believed to be connected either by his wife or mother to Ruben I.  Gabriel's daughter was Morphia of Melitene.

 Tiridates III of Armenia was of direct Pater-lineal descent from Khosrov I of Armenia. Khosrov I was one of the sons born to King Vologases II of Armenia (Vagharsh II) who is also known as Vologases V of Parthia by an unnamed mother. Vologases was of direct pater-lineal descent from Vonones II of Parthia (Who is numbered Vonones I on the Tyndale site's genealogy). He and his brother were the sons of Darius son of Artavasdes of Media by a daughter of Antiochus I Theos of Commanege (another correction I need to make to my genealogy is that daughter was named Athenais not Iotapa). The wife of Darius is an unnamed Arascid princess, who may herself already be descended from earlier intermarriages between the Arascid and Seleucid dynasties.

The Bagratid dynasties have also claimed Davidic Descent.

Maria Taronitissa was probably of Bagratid descent via the Roupenians, she married John Doukas Komnenos a Duke of Cyprus who had descent from Byzantine Emperors. Their daughter Maria Komnene married Amalric I Crusader King of Jerusalem.   All modern claimants to the Crusader King of Jerusalem title are descendants of that marriage.

Amalric's mother Mellisende of Jerusalem had ruled as Queen of Jerusalem.  Her parents were Baldwin II of Jerusalem and his wife Morphia of Melitene who also descended from Armenian nobility.  Another daughter of theirs was Alice of Antioch who married Bohemond II of Antioch and had a daughter, Constance of Antioch.  Constance had a number of children from whom the Princes of Antioch descend, and a daughter, Agnes of Antioch.  Agnes had 6 children, and from them descended all later kings of Hungry, and her daughter Constance of Hungry was the mother of Wenceslaus I of Bohemia.

Mary of Lusignan was the daughter of Hugh I of Cyprus and Alice of Champagne, daughter of Queen Isabella I of Jerusalem, daughter of Aalmric and Maria Komnene.  She is an ancestor of modern British Royalty.
Marie de Lusignan (1215-1251/3)
Hugh, Count of Brienne (1240-1296)
Walter V of Brienne (1278-1311)
Isabella of Brienne (1306-1360), claimant to the Kingdom of Jerusalem
Louis of Enghien (d. 1394)
Marguerite of Enghien (b. 1365) m. John of Luxembourg, Lord of Beauvoir
Peter of Luxembourg, Count of Saint Pol (1390-1433)
Jacquetta of Luxembourg, married Earl Rivers
Elizabeth, Queen of England m. Edward IV
Elizabeth of York m. Henry VII
Elizabeth of York was the mother of Henry VIII, and his Sister who was an ancestor of both parents of King James Stuart VI of Scotland and I of England.

Returning to the subject of the Western branch. Avidius Heliodorus and other descendants of Antiochus IV of Commanege where based in Syria. At least two Syrian based Usurpers during the Crisis of the Third Century are also probably descended form them, Joptainians and one named Seleucus. The entire Aristocracy of Roman Syria (and surrounding regions) from the Second Century onward was Seleucid.

Eutropia was a woman of Syrian origin living in the late Third and early Fourth centuries AD. By her first husband she had Flavia Maximiana Theodora, who married Constantius I Chlorus, and was the mother of all his children except Constantine I. However her much younger daughter by her second husband Fausta married Constantine I. By the mid Fourth Century the entire Constantinian dynasty was descended from Eutropia. I suspect it's through the Constantinians that the Merovingian dynasty (as well as other early Western European dynasties) can be traced back to the Seleucids, but I can't prove it yet.

Update October 2019: The Heraclied Dynasty who ruled the Byzantine Empire for most of the Seventh Century are also speculated to have had Arascid Armenian Descent.