Showing posts with label Antiochus. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Antiochus. Show all posts

Wednesday, August 25, 2021

Ancestry of Charlemagne

= means Siblings who had children together
& means are Siblings but didn't have children together (at least relevent to the line being covered)
+ means had children together but aren't siblings (sometimes are cousins though)
| means are same generation on genealogy but not directly connected

Charlemagne's Descent from Seleucid Dynasty (is different from the line this old post was about).

Seleucus I Nicator + Apama
Antiochus I Soter & Achaeus
Antiochus II Theos = Laodice I
Seleucus II Callinicus & Laodice wife of Mithridates II of Pontus
Antiochus III the Great + Laodice III
Seleucus IV Philopator = Laodice IV
Demetrius I Soter
Demetrius II Nicator + Cleopatra Thea
Antiochus VIII Grypus + Tryphaena
Laodice VII Thea, wife of Mithridates I Callinicus
Antiochus I Theos of Commagene
Mithridates II of Commagene & Athenais of Media Atropatene
Mithridates III of Commagene + Iotapa
Antiochus III of Commagene = Iotapa
Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene = Julia Iotapa
Julia Iotapa, wife of Gaius Julius Alexander
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Descent through Antiochus Epiphanes himself

Antiochus IV Epiphanes = Laodice IV
Laodice, wife of Mithridates V of Pontus
Mithridates VI of Pontus
Cleopatra of Pontus, wife of Tigranes The Great
[Name Unkown], wife of Mithridates of Media Atropatene
Ariobarzanes I of Media Atropatene
Artavasdes I of Media Atropatene
Mithridates III of Commagene + Iotapa
Antiochus III of Commagene = Iotapa
Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene = Julia Iotapa
Julia Iotapa, wife of Gaius Julius Alexander
Julia Iotapa (Cilician princess)
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus, Proconsul of Asia
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from the Herodian Dynasty

Antipater the Idumaean
Herod the Great
Alexander
Gaius Julius Alexander
Tigranes VI of Armenia
Gaius Julius Alexander, Ruler of Cetis in Cilicia
Julia Iotapa (Cilician princess)
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus, Proconsul of Asia
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from the Hasmoneans

The Priestly Order of Joarib
Asamoneus
Simeon
John
Mattathias
Simon Thassi
John Hyrcanus
Alexander Jannaeus + Salome Alexandra
Aristobulus II     & Hyrcanus II
Alexander          + Alexandra
Mariamne the Hasmonean, wife of Herod The Great
Alexander
Gaius Julius Alexander
Tigranes VI of Armenia
Gaius Julius Alexander, Ruler of Cetis in Cilicia
Julia Iotapa (Cilician princess)
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus, Proconsul of Asia
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from Late Roman Aristocracy of Gaul

Ferreolus, a Roman Senator
Tonantius Ferreolus (prefect)
Tonantius Ferreolus II
Tonantius Ferreolus III
Ansbert
Arnoald
Itta, wife of Pepin of Landen
Begga, wife of Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from the Merovingians

Childeric I
Clovis I
Chlothar I
Charibert I
Blithilde, wife of Ansbert
Arnoald
Itta, wife of Pepin of Landen
Begga, wife of Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from Bishops of Lyon

Tullia
Aquilinus
Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Maternal Ancestry of Charlemagne's mother's father

Irmina of Oeren
Bertrada of Prüm
Charibert of Laon
Bertrada of Laon
Charlemagne

I may update this post in the future to add more lines. 

One theory I have that I can't prove, but if true would strengthen the lines I've already looked into is that Erato of Armenia was the mother of Tigranes VI of Armenia.  I think she did marry Tigranes V during his brief reign in Armenia, then after he died did a Levirate marriage with his brother thus becoming the mother of Tigranes VI.

I've also been speculating on the possibility of a connection to the Constantinian Dynasty, cheifly I have a hunch Galla wife of Eucherius of Lyon can be connected to Constantius Gallus through his daughter Anastasia who's mother was Constantina eldest daughter of Constantine The Great.

Now the Cosntantinian Dynasty I speculate may themselves by connected to the Seleucids though Eutropia.  But also if Charlemagne was a potential heir of Constantine that adds legitimacy to his being crowned Western Roman Emperor.

Update:

Charlemagne's descent from the Sceaf

Sceaf
Bedwig
Hwala
Hrathra
itermon
Heremod
Scealdwa
Beaw
Teatwa
Geat
Godwulf
Fin
Firthuwulf
Freawine
Frealaf
Firthuwald
Odin
Sigi
Rerir
Volsung
Sigmund
Sigurd
Gunther
Gondioc
Chilperic II of Burgundy
Clotilda. wife of Clovis I
Chlothar I
Charibert I
Blithilde, wife of Ansbert
Arnoald
Itta, wife of Pepin of Landen
Begga, wife of Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Another Update 

Even more Solid Merovingian descent of Charlemagne.

Childeric I
Clovis I
Chlothar I
Charibert I
Charibert of Hesbaye husband of Wulfgurd
Robert I Bishop of Tours
Lambert I of Hesbaye
Robert II Lord Chanceler of France
Lambert II of Hesbaye
Rotrude of Hesbaye wife of Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Update September 22nd 2023:

More solid Descent from Seleucids, and improves other earlier claims of this post as well.

Seleucus I Nicator + Apama
Antiochus I Soter & Achaeus
Antiochus II Theos = Laodice I
Seleucus II Callinicus & Laodice wife of Mithridates II of Pontus
Antiochus III the Great + Laodice III
Seleucus IV Philopator = Laodice IV
Demetrius I Soter
Demetrius II Nicator + Cleopatra Thea
Antiochus VIII Grypus + Tryphaena
Laodice VII Thea, wife of Mithridates I Callinicus
Antiochus I Theos of Commagene
Mithridates II of Commagene & Athenais of Media Atropatene
Mithridates III of Commagene + Iotapa
Antiochus III of Commagene = Iotapa
Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene = Julia Iotapa
Julia Iotapa, wife of Gaius Julius Alexander
Gaius Julius Alexander Berenicianus
Julia Cassia Alexandra wife of Gaius Avidius Heliodorus
Gaius Avidius Cassius, Usurper Emperor in 175 AD
Avidia Cassia Alexandra
Claudia Vettia Agrippina
Claudia wife of Claudius Capitolinus Bassus, proconsul of Asia
Claudia Capitolina
Amnia Demetrias wife of Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlamagne's descent from Caesar Augustus

Octavius Caesar Augustus
Julia The Elder
Julia The Younger
Aemilia Lepida
Junia Lepida
Cassius Lepidus
Cassia Lepida
Julia Cassia Alexandra wife of Gaius Avidius Heliodorus
Gaius Avidius Cassius, Usurper Emperor in 175 AD
Avidia Cassia Alexandra
Claudia Vettia Agrippina
Claudia wife of Claudius Capitolinus Bassus, proconsul of Asia
Claudia Capitolina
Amnia Demetrias wife of Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from Longinus

Gaius Cassius Longinus, Ides of March
Gaius Cassius Longinus
Gaius Cassius Longinus
Gaius Cassius Longinus, Consul Suffectus Consul in 30 AD
Cassius Lepidus
Cassia Lepida
Julia Cassia Alexandra wife of Gaius Avidius Heliodorus
Gaius Avidius Cassius, Usurper Emperor in 175 AD
Avidia Cassia Alexandra
Claudia Vettia Agrippina
Claudia wife of Claudius Capitolinus Bassus, proconsul of Asia
Claudia Capitolina
Amnia Demetrias wife of Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Tuesday, June 2, 2015

Could Antiochus Epiphanes claim descent from the Lost Tribes?

I've already talked a lot about the possible familial connections of the Seleucid Dynasty in my three part Genealogy of The Antichrist study.

In light of my recent speculation that the Eight King could be Antiochus Epiphanies himself.  As well as my other speculation that The White Horseman could claim, validly or not, Ephraimite descent and try to claim he's Messiah Ben-Joseph.  This is an interesting speculation.

As I said before, I don't think he'll admit to being the hated Epiphanes, I think it's possible if he is open about being someone from the past, he might claim to be his more fondly remembered father.

I do not necessarily endorse Lost Tribes became Western Europeans theories in general.  But the nature of tribal migrations is complicated.  And Dan certainly had an interesting history.  Also my theory is more about him claiming such a lineage then if it's actually true.

Antiochus Epiphanes is not usually someone advocates of such theories seek to claim.  But I have a different perspective.

The Macedonian Royal family claimed descent, like the Spartans, from the sons of Herakles and through him to Perseus and Andromeda of Joppa and the Danoi.  All allowing possible connections to Dan or Edom.  But the Seleucids have no provable direct connection to the Agrid line however.

The sons of Herakles whom the Spartan and Macedonian royal families claim descent from supposedly intermarried with the leading family of the Dorian tribes.  Some engaged in Lost Tribes related theories have speculated that the Dorians could have a connection to Dor, a port city of Manasseh, one governor of Dor had married a daughter of Solomon.  Dor is also associated with the Tjekker of the Sea Peoples.

The Macedonians were distinct from the other Dorian derived classical Greek nations in also having some Celtic stock to them.   So Oliver Stone was not being completely random casting Irish and Scottish actors as Macedonians in his Alexander The Great film.  The relationship between the Celtic and Cimmerian peoples is complex.

Apama the wife of Seleucus I was the daughter of Spitamenes, a Perisan Satrap.  He had in his ancestry Persian and Median rulers and through them Assyrian ones too.  The mother of Esarhaddon was possibly an Israelite.  Further back there were Assyrian Kings named Asshur-Dan about whom we know little, making me wonder if connections between Assyrian Royalty and the Denyen might have taken place.

The City of Antioch itself is pretty much in the heart of the Danuna/Laish Dan area.

The Crimmerians are at the center of the main Lost Tribes became Europeans theories.  Most critics of the view just point to the obvious connection between the Cimmerians and Gomer son of Japheth, that Bill Cooper documents well in After The Flood.  He covers it in both the Where to Begin chapter and Appendix 3.

Thing is, the name Gomer also appears in Hosea as the name of the prostitute God has Hosea marry who becomes a symbolic type of Ephraim/Israel.  So advocates of the theory suggest using that name could also be a prophecy about a future intermingling of the descendants of Gomer and the Northern Kingdom.

Khumri is how the Assyrians rendered the name of Omri, which they used to refer to the Northern Kingdom in general even well after the House of Omri fell. The basis for connecting the northern Kingdom exiles to the name of the Cimmerians has often been just based on arguing that Khumri could've become Ghumri and Gimri and so on.  That I think is largely what makes it look silly to people.  Though more implausible things have happened in etymology.

Our pre-history of the Cimmerians is pretty speculative, drawing mainly form Herodotus and other heavily contrived Greek accounts.  But a connection between their name and Crimea I do consider likely.

The first appearance of the Cimmerians in Assyrian records is during the reign of Sargon II, dated to about 714 BC.  After the first two main deportations of the Israelites.  At this time they seem to be "In the midst Mannae" a buffer state between Assyrian and Uratu, rather then where they usually were later.  They assisted Sargon in his war with Uratu.  Mannae is mentioned in The Bible as Minni in Jeremiah 51:27.  Their kingdom was located south and east of Lake Urmia.  Firmly within Median territory where many exiles had been taken according to II Kings 17:6.

Later the Cimmerians during the reigns of Esarhaddon and Asshurbanipal would become enemies of Assyria, and ally with other traditional enemies of Assyria.  It's not implausible that descendants of exiled Israelites would have been attracted to joining up with the Cimmerians.

The Cimmerian nation at it's greatest extent expanded into many other regions of Turkey, like Pontus and Cappadocia.  In Hellenistic times the Cimmerians who remained in the region were known as the Galatians.  The Hellenistic kingdoms of Galatias, Cappadocia and Pontus royal families intermarried a lot with the Seleucid Dynasdty, as well as Pergamon and Commagene.  The mother of Antiochus IV Epiphanes was the daughter of Mithridates II of Pontus.

Monday, May 25, 2015

The Seven Heads and Daniel 7

In the past I've been hostile to viewing the 7 Kings as 7 Kingdoms or Empires rather then a specific succession of individual Kings.  Chris White argues they are 7 Kings of 7 Kingdoms.

I'll never be convinced of a model that adds two empires or even one before Nebuchadnezzar.  But my perspective on this changed when I noticed something about how Daniel 7 and the Beast from the Sea in Revelation are compared.

This thesis here could damage a lot of my earlier theories.  But not my over all view of Bible Prophecy.

Seven is also the total number of heads in Daniel 7, 1 Lion, 1 Bear, 4 of the Leopard and the Ten horns are defined as on a head in Daniel 7.  The Beast of Revelation 13 is all four of Daniel 7's beasts merged together.

So we have 7 Kingdoms, each also with one specific of their Kings to single out.  That is how I now look at it.

The 7 kings do NOT each have to be a type of The Antichrist, that is just a made up rule some people have for studying this.  Cyrus is indisputably the Second King in question here, he is never portrayed negatively in Scripture.  In fact he is the only Gentile The Hebrew Bible ever declares a Messiah, and it's God himself saying it to Cyrus in Isaiah 44/45.  Some of them may be types, but they don't all need to be.

In fact even though I've done and may still do a lot of talking about potential types of The Anitchrist on this Blog.  The Biblical endorsement for the concept of types are entirely about Jesus, Paul in Colossians saying everything in the law was a foreshadowing of Jesus that had already been fulfilled, Jesus saying the Volume of The Book is of Him.  There is no Biblical basis for calling ANYONE a type of The Antichrist.

This model has to make Rome the 7th rather then 6th Empire.  How can Rome possibly be yet Future in John's time?  Or be said to have not lasted very long?

The 7 Kings we're are looking for are not rulers or occupiers of Israel/Jerusalem.  Revelation 17 is specifically about Babylon, it's about 7 Kings of 7 Kingdoms who ruled Babylon, starting with it's native kingdom.  Daniel 7 is in the Aramaic part of Daniel, the language of the Assyrians and Babylonians of Daniel's time.  And he was in Babylonia when he had this vision.  The four beasts are described as World Empires and all four are, but to the point of view of the Babylonians Daniel first made this Prophecy for, no one truly became a world empire till they conquered their world.

Rome did NOT rule Babylon at any point during the New Testament era or before it. John wrote Revelation at the latest during the reign of Domitian.  The second Emperor after that, Trajan, was the first Roman to take Mesopotamia and Assyria. and it was at the very end of his reign that he did.  Then Hadrian succeeded him, and he pretty much immediately gave them back to Parthia.  So Rome only ever ruled Babylon for a very short time, just a few years.

The ruler of Parthia when John wrote was Pacorus II. (Who's mother was a Greek concubine, further showing he can count as a Greek King, and his father's maternal grandmother had Seleucid ancestry).  When Pacorus died Trajan was already Emperor of Rome.  Later in the 160s AD there was another Roman military incursion into Mesopotamia, but it never reached Babylon, it's focus was on Seleucica.

While it's not a coincidence that the 4 heads of the Leopard are the same number of horns the Notable horn of the Ram breaks into.  I think what they represent specifically here could be sort of different.  We are dealing with four Hellenistic era Kingdoms that ruled Babylon.  The first is Alexander himself, then comes the successors.

I believe Parthia while often thought of as a quasi Persian empire can be looked at as coming out of Alexander's Empire.  He had conquered that region, and by the New Testament period the Arascid Royal Family had Seleucid blood intermingled into them.

Babylon was taken from the Seleucid Empire by Parthia in 150 BC.  It was still firmly Seleucid during the time of Antiochus Epiphanes and the Hasomonean revolt.

Antigonus and Seleucus Nicator fought over Babylon early on after it was clear Alexander's own Dynasty would not survive.  Eventually Seleucus secured it.

I'm going to consider Ptolemy the true successor to Alexander in this context.  He had Alexander's body buried in the city named after him, an act that secured succession in Macedonian custom, and was possibly a half brother or cousin of Alexander.

The 4 Heads of the Leopard could be viewed as Antigonus in Macedon =The West, Antioch=The North, Alexandria=The South and Parthia=The East.  Thus fitting the Four Winds of Heaven reference in Daniel 11.  Though for that context we could also say the West was the Macedon-Greece homeland which was originally ruled by the Antipards but which the Antigonids took as they lost what was originally allotted to them to Seleucus.

So the 7 King(dom)s of Babylon from Daniel are Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, Alexander The Great, Antigonus, Seleucid Dynasty, Pacorus of Parthia, and Trajan of Rome.

In the past I firmly argued that I believe The Antichrist's Death and Resurrection must both be in the future.  And I was not comfortable with the theories making him some past King being brought back.

But in light of this, I must be consistent with my clear understanding of Revelation 17's terminology.  "Was, and is not" means the Eight King is one of the first 5, since it defines the present of this message as the 6th.

I still believe the Beast Empire is largely a Revived Roman Empire, but the Little Horn shows up among the ten horns in Daniel 7, distinct from Daniel 8 where he comes out of one of the 4 horns.  He's ruling Rome but not as a Roman himself.

I don't believe it has to be someone who died from a head wound.  The doctrine of The Antichrist's Resurrection to me is proven not by the mortal head wound being healed but by his ascending out of the Bottomless Pit, and how that theme ties into Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28-32, (though fatal sword wound references are there too).

It could be he's already an early example of the second resurrection when he receives the mortal wound, and what amazes people is him surviving something that should have killed him, because he now has a body like a fallen angel.

Alexander The Great is distinct as being in a sense the main King of the Leopard as a whole as well as one of the heads.  I see Daniel 7:12 saying both that the Assyrian, Persian and Greek nations will exist during the Millennium.  And that their main three Kings, Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus and Alexander The Great, are saved individuals and will exist in The Millennium too.

That only leaves Antigonus and the Seleucids.

Daniel 11:40-45 seems to have The Antichrist as separate from the King of The North.  However, I've explained why I'm no longer certain that even is The Antichrist, and that it might be Augustus.  But if that is the End Times and is The 8th King, it's while he's not a ruler of his original kingdom anymore but of the 10 horns to emerge from Rome.

There is nothing to link Antigonus to the Antichrist, but a lot of reasons to link the Seleucids.  Daniel 8 as well as Epiphanes doing the first Abomination of Desolation, which Jesus clarifies there will be one yet future.

I argued in the past when discussing Daniel 8 that there The Little Horn is the Seleucid dynasty as a whole, not just 1 or 2 individuals.  So unlike others who've argued a thesis similar to what I'm arguing here, I don't necessarily think it's Antiochus Epiphanes himself who is the Seleucid ruler that will ascend out of the Bottomless Pit, but certainly could be.

There are reasons to believe The Antichrist will be someone The Jews accept at first until the Abomination of Desolation happens.  If he's Epiphanes and is known to be Epiphanes, that would be unlikely.  Epiphanes is up there with Hitler and Haman on the most hated by Jews list.

I do think it must be a Seleucid mentioned in Daniel 11, making him a Biblical figure.  Seleucus I might be the candidate to start with, but while important to Seleucid history obviously, what's said of him in Daniel 11 is brief and pales in comparison to some of the others.  But it is interesting that a legend existed in the ancient world that his mother Laodice claimed he was fathered by Apollo.

Three times in Daniel 11 a king is described as "doing according to his will".  One of these is verse 36 which is clearly past the immediate history of Epiphanes already, after the Hasmonean Kingdom has fallen to Rome.  And may or may not be about The Antichrist.  It's first used of Alexander The Great at the start of the chapter.  Between them it's in verse 16.

Verse 16 is during the time of Antiochus III The Great's wars. And usually he is identified by scholars as the one "doing according to his will" there.  But Hippolytus of Rome in his Daniel commentary confusingly says this was an Alexander not known from any other surviving historical sources we have on the period.  He might have gotten confused by how that phrase was earlier affiliated with Alexander The Great, or maybe it's a scribal/copyist error.

It was under Antiochus The Great that Israel was taken from the Ptolemies and became part of the Seleucid Empire.  He is overall remembered fondly by The Jews as recorded by Josephus.  His relationship with them in Daniel 11 seems positive.  He continued Alexander and the Ptolemies general policy of not interfering with their Faith or The Temple.

But Josephus seems to be familiar with only 1 Maccabees and not 2 Maccabees.  2 Maccabees chapter 1 seems to refer to the death of Antiochus III and deems him ungodly.  Some see the benefits Antiochus gave The Temple as having been good for the Priestly class but not really for the common people.

Epiphanes is still the key link this dynasty has to The Antichrist.  It's highly possible he will lie about who he is, even when he first reveals himself to be a resurrected past individual he may lie about exactly who he is. Maybe he'll try to claim he's Elijah or David or Solomon or someone like that.  Or maybe just a simple matter of lying about which Macedonian or Seleucid ruler he is.

Some have agreed that Daniel 11:36-45 can't refer to anything Epiphanes did, yet still feel that the tone of the text wants us to think of him.  This could agree with a notion that he was recorded earlier as the 5th King and 36-45 is about him as the 8th King.

On the notion that we're dealing with a ruler of one of the earlier Kingdoms now ruling/reviving Rome.  Epiphanes had been a hostage in Rome, and Polybus said he liked to rule as if he were a Roman.  Maybe he is the ideal person to revive the Roman Empire.

Which would create more options for someone he could claim to be, like Augustus.

But one interesting option is for him to claim to be Constantine XI, the last Byzantine Emperor.  Like all later Byzantine Emperors he was firmly Greek, so Antiochus could remain the same ethnicity and native language.  Constantine XI supposedly died in battle when Constantinople fell to the Turks, but his death was never solidly confirmed.  So a rumor spread that an Angel had saved him and turned him into a statue and hid him beneath the Gate of Constantinople and would one be awoken to drive to the Turks.  His legacy has remained important among the Greeks, drawing on it during their War of Independence in the 19th Century.

And the legend of his return no doubt became interwoven with the Last Roman Emperor tradition.  The original seed of which, the late 4th century prophecy attributed to the Tiburtine Sibyl called him a King of The Greeks named Constans.

One argument against the idea that 36-39 could be about Epiphanes is that he was consistent with the religion of his fathers.  However there is also a sense in which Epiphanes did change the religion of the Seleucid Empire, ironically the opposite of the change Augustus later made in Rome.  Apollo had been the favored deity of earlier Seleucids, but Epiphanes downplayed him and was more fond of Zeus.  But it still would be absurd to label Zeus a god "whom his fathers knew not" for any Greek people.

But if Epiphanes returns in the End Days his religion may be different, especially if he comes back after being resurrected and thinking Satan was responsible for it.

He did deify himself, technically the full name he used was Antíochos D' ho Epiphanḗs (Antiochus God Manifest, or Antiochus Zeus Manifest).  I've noticed that while none of the known forms of Epiphanes/Epiphany I've found used in ancient Greek texts have a Greek gemetria value of 666, it isn't difficult to construct a form that does have that value, it seems 1 or 2 letters could make the difference.

Update August 2016: I just argued that the Eight King could be a Ptolemy.

Wednesday, August 6, 2014

Genealogy of The Antichrist: Antiochus to Charlemagne

St. Arnulf of Metz is a 33–generation descendant of Antio-
chos II
Theos
Numbers in each generation follow
Ahnentafel
coding.
Generation 1
1. St. Arnulf of Metz,
maiordomus
in the kingdom of Austrasia
(c.582–16.8.640). He married Dode (–?–), daughter of Arnold of Schelde,
after 611.
Generation 2
2. Bodogisel, ambassador to Byzantium in 589.
Generation 3
4. Mummolin,
maiordomus
in 566 in Neustria.
Generation 4
9. NN. married to Munderic.
Generation 5
19. Artemie, married in 513to Florentinus, bishop of Geneve.
Generation 6
38. Rustique, bishop of Lyon between 494 and 501
Generation 7
76. Rurice de Limoges, bishop of Limoges c. 485-507
Generation 8
152. NN.
Generation 9
304. Adelphius.
Generation 10
609. Anicia, married to Pontius.
Generation 11
1219. Turrenia Anicia Iuliana, married to Quintus Clodius
Hermogenianus Olybrius, consul in 379.
Generation 12
2438. Anicius Auchenius Bassus, prefect in 382 in Rome, mar-
ried to Turrenia Honorata.
Generation 13
4876. Amnius Manius Cæsonius Nicomachus Anicius Paulinus
Honorius, consul in 334.
Generation 14
9752. Amnius Anicius Iulianus, consul in 322.
Generation 15
19504. Sextus Anicius Faustus, consul in 298.
Generation 16
39009. Asinia Iuliana Nichomacha, married to Quintus Ani-
cius Faustus.
Generation 17
78018. Caius Asinius Nicomachus Iulianus, proconsul in Asia
circa 250.
Generation 18
156036. Caius Asinius Quadratus Protimus, proconsul in A-
khaia circa 220.
Generation 19
312072. Caius Asinius Quadratus, historian, c. 200.
Generation 20
624144. Caius Iulius Asinius Quadratus.
Generation 21
1248288. Caius Iulius Quadratus Bassus, consul in 105, mar-
ried to Asinia Marcella.
Generation 22
2496576. Caius Iulius Bassus, proconsul in Bithynia, 98.
Generation 23
4993152. Caius Iulius Severus, nobleman from Akmoneia in
Galatia.
Generation 24
9986304. Artemidoros, nobleman in Galatia.
Generation 25
19972608. Amyntas, tetrarcus of Trocmes.
Generation 26
39945217. NN., married to Brogitarix, king of Galatia c. 63–50
b.C.
Generation 27
79890435. Berenike, married to Deiotarix I, king of Galatia,
63–41 b.C.
Generation 28
159780871. NN. (daughter).
Generation 29
319561742. Attalos Philometor III, king of Pergamon, 138–133
b.C.
Generation 30
639123485. Stratonike of Kappadokia, married to Eumenes,
king of Pergamon, 197–159 b.C.
Generation 31
1278246970. Ariarathes IV Eusebes Philopator, king of Cap-
padokia, 220–163b.C.
Generation 32
2556493941. Stratonike, married to Ariarathes III.
Generation 33
5112987882. Antiochos II Theos I, king of Syria, 261–246 b.C.,
b. 290 b.C.

I copied the above line of descent from another source, but because other things in that source are bad info I don't want link to it. But this line of decent I have studied generation by generation and it's valid, though a few mistakes might have been made in exactly how it was expressed.  At a certain point it overlaps with my Genealogy of Commanege, Julia the wife of Gaius Julius Quadratus was the daughter of Gaius Julius Alexander and Iotapa daughter of Anitochus IV of Commagene.  From them came the Historian of 200 AD.

Arnulf of Metz's son Ansegisel married Saint Begga, the daughter of Pepin of Landen. They had Pepin of Herstal the father of Charles Martel, the father of Pepin the Short, the father of Charlemagne.

Ansegisel and Begga also had a daughter Clotilda of Heristal who was married to the Merovingian king Theoderic III of of Neustria and Austrasia. Bertrada of Prum was very likely their daughter, she was the mother of Caribert of Laon.  His daughter daughter Bertrada of Laon was the wife of Pepin the Short mentioned above and mother of Charlemagne.

Another note on the above line of descent. Munderic claimed to be a son of Chlodoric the Parricide, who's called that because he murdered his own father, Sigobert the Lame, in order to take his kingdom. Chlodoric acted upon the instigation of Clovis I a rival king of the Salian Franks. After Sigobert's death Clovis then accused Chlodoric of the murder and had him killed in his turn for the crime. In this way Clovis became king of Sigobert's and Chlodoric's lands. Sigobert the lame could be a descendant of Merovee by a line independent of Clovis I.

It is well known that pretty much all modern European Royalty can claim descent from Charlemagne.  And other prominent families too.  It's been claimed in Conspiracy theory circles that almost all Presidents of The United States are descendants of Charlemagne.  I'm not sure how verifiable that claim is.

Charlemagne also as can be shown above had Merovingian ancestry.  So that can tie into theories about how DaVinci Code type claims might be used.  But other means exist to try and give this same European Royalty Davidic Ancestry.
http://www.britam.org/Tribesman/GeneaologyDavid.html
The theories being drawn on here have been discredited by many skeptics.

But it's interesting, between that and the Armenian/Georgian royalty.  We have a lot of people with Seleucid descent and also claims to Davidic descent.