Friday, December 3, 2021

You might want to check out my other Blogs.

Looking at the stats it seems this Blog currently gets the most views of the blogs I run, even when I haven't posted or promoted anything on it recently.  There must be some people coming here regularly, perhaps annoyed how little I've been posting lately.

My interest in Bible Prophecy fluctuates, lately I've been posting once a month here, but there will likely be a time in the future when I'll have more to say.  I do have some ideas for future posts currently in my head, I'd like to get one up before the year's over but no promises.

The posts I'll link to are ones I figure are of relevance or interest to people interested in my takes on Bible Prophecy.

My strong position on The General Resurrection of The Dead being a literal and physical Resurrection is vital to my understanding of Prophecy, as shown by the post I made for November.  But it's relevant to more then just Prophecy, it's one of the core doctrines of The Faith.  So my posts most directly about that have actually been on my more general Theology blog.  Posts like Spiritual and Heavenly, what do they mean? and The Sects of First Century Judaism, and that overlaps with my opposition to Platonic/Pythagorean influences on mainstream Christianity, which come up in my posts about the Origins of Puritan Sexual Morality, or God and The Universe, or Divine Impassability/Immutability.  I also talk about Politics sometimes, and that informs how I look at Prophecy as well.  I've made a couple posts on my secular reasons for being a Zionist, and there is more I want to add to that subject in the future.

Then there is the blog where I talk about fiction and entertainment media I enjoy, for the last few years it's been dominated by Anime.  That's the one I generally try to post to most consistently.

For all of us interested in Bible Prophecy, how we visualize it is pretty intentionally or not viewed through the lens of a lot of the fiction we like, and in turn certain kinds of fiction always make us think of Bible Prophecy.  A lot of the popular tends in Futurist speculation of the last 30 or even 40 years feel like premises for a Cyber-Punk novel, many views on the Mark of the Beast and Image of the Beast lend themselves to transhumanism.  Rob Skiba is literally trying to make a SciFi TV show out of his theories, which I've already talked about on that blog once.

So yeah Bible Prophecy is constantly on my mind when I'm watching Steins;Gate, Robotics;Notes, Chaos;Head or Code Geass.  Though I try to restrain myself from actually bringing it up there.  I haven't posted anything on the new Dune or Wheel of Time yet, but I intend to.

Horror stuff can also overlap with Bible Prophecy.  I have after all come close to literally arguing The Antichrist is a Mummy, and elsewhere used my False Prophet speculations to justify certain Vampire Lore.  October is a month in which Horror stuff is more likely to come up.  

And the theory I proposed in my latest Zelda post is based on stuff I was able to notice because of the studying of Byzantine architecture I've done while trying to determine where I think The Temple stood.

Saturday, November 13, 2021

Eschatology views Tier Ranking

I'm going to rank various positions on Eschatology in terms of how I personally feel about them at the time of my writing this post on Saturday November 13th of 2021.

S Tier: The Position(s) I currently favor.

I'm currently a Pre-Millennial Futurist with a Rapture Position that can be called "Mid-Trib", but not what many assume Mid-Trib means in that what The Rapture is I view mostly the same as Post-Tribbers, it is the Second Coming, and from my position's own POV the Tribulation by definition ends at The Rapture.  And The Last Trump is the Seventh Trumpet.

I also consider some Idealist readings of Revelation also true, it is also a symbolic summery of The Entire Biblical Meta narrative, but that doesn't conflict with it also being future events, because that's what every good final episode of a saga should be.

A Tier: Positions I'm currently very open to being converted to.

Historicism in it's Pre-Millennial form, Partial-Preterism and Revivalist post-Millennialism, or something that combines elements of those. 

I kind of want to be convinced of something like that now given other things I believe.  But it wouldn't be likely to be any in their current most well known forms, since my hypothetical Preterism wouldn't be 70 AD focused (not for Matthew, Mark or Revelation anyway) and my Historicism would be less fixated on The Vatican viewing Christian Monarchy in general as the Abomination of Desolation.

If I did abandon Futurism I would probably retire this blog and start a new one.

B Tier: Views I consider firmly wrong but not in any way heretical.

Middleism, only in that separating Matthew's Olivette Discourse from Revelation I view as untenable, whichever time period one is about so is the other.

Also any views where my only or main objections come down to not interpreting Revelation as Chronologically as I do.  But thus far everyone I've seen doing that is also guilty of something down below, (It's mainly associated with Post-Trib, Chris White's Pre-Wrath and Preterism).

C Tier: Views I consider tied to Heresy but merely minor ones

Dispensationalism (Pre-Trib, some forms of Mid-Trib, the Pre-Wrath view of Chris White), Supersecessionism (Most forms of Post-Trib, probably some hypothetical forms of Mid-Trib, and also today most Non Futurists).

And also Domminionism which mainly manifests as Reconstructionist Post-Millennialism but can be made compatible with other views.

D Tier: Views heretical in their rejections of core doctrines of the Faith.

Any view that denies a literal bodily Resurrection of The Dead.  Which is firmly required for Full Preterism and Amillenialism.

F Tier: Basically not even really Christian at all anymore.

Any view that identifies the Satan of The New Testament with YHWH The God of The Hebrew Bible.  Like Marcionism and the most well known forms of Gnosticism.

Often goes hand in hand with throwing out Revelation altogether as a False Prophecy.  But they may also selectively use stuff from Revelation.  Also these people are generally also doing the D Tier Heresy.

Monday, October 25, 2021

Seleucia on The Tigris is Babylon of 1 Peter 5:13.

Seleucus Nicator founded Seleucia in 305 BC, in order to quickly make it a Metropolis he forced most of the population of Babylon to resettle there, there is a tablet dated to 275 BC recording this.  It spent very little time as the actual Capitol of the Seleucid Empire, but it did spend most of the 3rd and 2nd centuries BC as a larger city then Antioch.

Diogenes of Babylon was a Stoic Philosopher commonly referred to as being "of Babylon" but he was actually born in Seleucia and neither city is where he spent most of his life, he was educated in Athens and obviously mostly lived there during his time as head of the Stoic School based in Athens until he died around 150-140 BC.

1 Maccabees 6:4 and 2 Maccabees 8:20 call a City in Mesopotamia Babylon even though it's population is Macedonian.

In 141 BC the Parthian Empire took it from the Seleucids and made it their western capital, but it remained a fully Hellenistic city.

Josephus's references to the city confirm that even the remaining Jewish diaspora of Babylon were in fact mostly living in Seleucia during the first century.  The Jews of Seleucia and other northern Mesopotamian cities revolted during the Kitos War. That of course was a factor in Trajan destroying the City in it's original form in 117 AD.

Hadrian gave Babylonia back to Parthia however and they then quickly rebuilt Seleucia in a Parthian style.  That version of the city was destroyed by Avidius Cassius during another war between Rome and Parthia in 165 AD.  It then became a Sassanian city commonly called Seleucia-Ctesiphon.  This city became the seat of the leading Bishop of the Ancient Church of The East who was formally called the Patriarch of Babylon.

If people really find it so unlikely Peter was in actual Babylon when he wrote his First Epistle simply because some first century sources make it sound like it was a mostly abandoned ruin already, then Seleucia is probably where he was.  It was home to an important Jewish population and Paul calls Peter the Apostle to The Jews in Galatian 2:8.

The idea that Peter said "Babylon" in place of "Rome" to fool Roman officials who might read the letter is stupid.  

1. He doesn't actually say anything bad about where he is, it's only the negative connotations the name of Babylon often has in the Judeo-Christian mind that makes it seem that way.

2. Roman customs officials would have known where the letter was actually mailed from.  So using an easy to interpret as insulting name instead of the real name would have only caused problems.

If Peter meant by Babylon a city other then the exact same city where Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar ruled, it would have been the one other similar Greek texts were calling Babylon during the Greco-Roman Era due to being the regional capital and largest city of the region called Babylonia.

Wednesday, September 15, 2021

Jezreel is New Testament Nazareth.

I'm not questioning the traditional identification of Nazareth because I'm impressed by any New Atheist pseudo Archeological claims it didn't exist till the 2nd century.  I think that Nazareth is perfectly Ancient but probably wasn't called Nazareth originally being one of the villages of Japhia mentioned in Joshua 19:12-16.

The Problem is Matthew 4:13-15's application of Isaiah 9:1 (which I'd often willfully misread in the past) clearly says that when Jesus left Nazareth for Capernaum He was entering the land of Zebulun and Naphtali, meaning where He was before can't be part of either of those tribal allotments.  And both traditional Nazareth next to Japhia and Sepphoris which was my former alternative theory are firmly in Zebulun.  Since NT Nazareth was definitely part of the Greco-Roman era definition of Galilee that pretty much narrows it down to Issachar, possibly including areas originally first allotted to Issachar that Manasseh wound up taking according to Joshua 17:11, Judges 1:27, 1 Chronicles 7:29 and 1 Kings 4:12.

Why is Zebulun already added to Isaiah 9's definition of Galilee since everywhere else the name of Galilee appears in the Hebrew Bible it's just to the sea of Galilee and thus when talking about west of the Jordan tribal allotments only tied to Naphtali?  Well Isaiah was contemporary with the Fall of the Northern Kingdom when the people of Naphtali were carried away into captivity by Tilgathpilneser King of Assyria, Zebulun however was among the tribes specifically not deported, they are still there for Hezekiah's Passover.  So I think once Naphtali's lands were depopulated the people of Zebulun who had a pretty small allotment originally basically expanded to absorb formally Naphtalite territory.  And that's why I believe all of the 12 Disciples except Judas Iscariot were of the Tribe of Zebulun.

The popular theory that the name of Nazareth is related to the Hebrew word for Branch used in Isaiah 11 is often criticized on the grounds that the Hebrew letter Tsade usually becomes a Sigma in Hellenic transliteration, so the spelling of Nazareth in the Greek texts of the NT using a Zeta implies the letter for Z used in the Hebrew or Aramaic was probably Zayin.

Did you know the medieval/modern Arabic name for the city of Jezreel is Zir'in?  At first glance I found that weird, but it does descend from the same Semitic root that is the core of the Biblical Hebrew Jezreel, the Hebrew word Zerah commonly translated Seed.  And indeed in both Zerah and Jezreel the Hebrew letter for Z is Zayin.  Meanwhile the Hebrew letter for N is sometimes used as a Prefix meaning "we will".  If Jezreel is the Hebrew and Zir'in the Arabic then it could be that in-between Nazareth was the Aramaic.  Meanwhile the meaning of "Branch" is still related poetically.

Joshua 19:18 placed Jezreel in the territory of Issachar which is outlined in Joshua 19:17-23, though it could be that verse is referring to the valley not the city.  Being associated with the border it could indeed be an area that was ultimately taken by Manasseh.  I think in the NT era those tribally of Issachar were called Iscariot and that the family of Mary was probably of Manasseh.

The Prophet Hosea mentioned Jezreel by name four times in total, thrice in chapter 1 in verses 4, 5 and 11, and then one last time in chapter 2 verse 22.  They first speak of YHWH Avenging the blood of Jezreel agaisnt the house of Jehu.  The concept being alluded to there is the Goel/Redeemer of The Torah who is supposed to be a Kinsman.  

But then the other uses of the name are more positive happy ending references.  They also involve Hosea naming one of his sons Jezreel.  I think it's reasonable to interpret Hosea as foretelling that the Messiah who will Redeem Israel will be of Jezreel, and that this is the Nazarene Prophecy Matthew 2:23 spoke of.  Also Paul in Romans 9:25 quotes passages of Hosea that were in the context of those Jezreel prophecies.

Meanwhile the role that Megiddo plays in the history of Jehu in 2 Kings 9:29 and how it parallels Megiddo's role in the fate of Josiah in 2 Kings 23:29-30 and 2 Chronicles 35:22, has me thinking that the avenging of the Blood of Jezreel agaisnt Jehu is tied to the Eschatological role of Megiddo in Zachariah 12:11 and Revelation 16:16.  After all the Valley of Jezreel is also called the Valley of Megiddo.

When Herodotus in Book 2:159 of his histories while discussing Pharaoh Necho refers to the Battle of Megiddo where King Josiah died, he spells the name of Megiddo as Magdolos.  Maybe the Magdalene epithet used in The Gospels actually refers to Megiddo?

There is also the matter of Jesus foretelling He would not be accepted in His "own country", or Hometown in some translations (referring to Nazareth) in Luke 4:24, Matthew 13:57, Mark 6:4 and John 4:4.  Traditional Nazareth and nearby Japhia/Yafa became Christian in antiquity and still have significant Christian populations to this day, in fact they were majority Christian as recently as the British Mandate Census of 1922 and and again in 1931.  But Jezreel never became Christian, it was visited by Christian Pilgrims in the 4th century who depict it as still practicing it's Pre-Christian rites, and then Zir'in was a purely Muslim city.

Now you could argue that Muslims view Jesus as a Prophet so Zir'in accepted Jesus as a Prophet and as Messiah Ben-David when they became Muslim, but that's a very roundabout indirect way to accept Jesus.  When one converts to Islam it is the Prophethood of Muhammad they are chiefly accepting, Jesus just plays a role in that message.  It would be like referring to Christian Europe as Mosaic.

It can also be argued that Jesus meant at the time, clearly all those past Prophets "not accepted in their own town" He had in mind were accepted Posthumously by their Prophecies becoming canonized Hebrew Scripture.  And as a proponent of Universal Salvation I believe everyone accepts Jesus eventually.  So no I would not rule out traditional Nazareth and look for a city that never became Christian based on this argument alone. It again comes down to these Hosea prophecies, can they arguably be viewed as not fully completely fulfilled till the Second Advent?  I think they can but I don't see it something to be dogmatic about.

But also just how shocking it is that this city never became Christian even during the Byzantine period when it was the dominant Religion in the region and some Emperors actively sought to persecute those who didn't convert?  Jezreel's stubborn refusal to convert is frankly admirable in that context.

Wednesday, August 25, 2021

Ancestry of Charlemagne

= means Siblings who had children together
& means are Siblings but didn't have children together (at least relevent to the line being covered)
+ means had children together but aren't siblings (sometimes are cousins though)
| means are same generation on genealogy but not directly connected

Charlemagne's Descent from Seleucid Dynasty (is different from the line this old post was about).

Seleucus I Nicator + Apama
Antiochus I Soter & Achaeus
Antiochus II Theos = Laodice I
Seleucus II Callinicus & Laodice wife of Mithridates II of Pontus
Antiochus III the Great + Laodice III
Seleucus IV Philopator = Laodice IV
Demetrius I Soter
Demetrius II Nicator + Cleopatra Thea
Antiochus VIII Grypus + Tryphaena
Laodice VII Thea, wife of Mithridates I Callinicus
Antiochus I Theos of Commagene
Mithridates II of Commagene & Athenais of Media Atropatene
Mithridates III of Commagene + Iotapa
Antiochus III of Commagene = Iotapa
Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene = Julia Iotapa
Julia Iotapa, wife of Gaius Julius Alexander
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Descent through Antiochus Epiphanes himself

Antiochus IV Epiphanes = Laodice IV
Laodice, wife of Mithridates V of Pontus
Mithridates VI of Pontus
Cleopatra of Pontus, wife of Tigranes The Great
[Name Unkown], wife of Mithridates of Media Atropatene
Ariobarzanes I of Media Atropatene
Artavasdes I of Media Atropatene
Mithridates III of Commagene + Iotapa
Antiochus III of Commagene = Iotapa
Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene = Julia Iotapa
Julia Iotapa, wife of Gaius Julius Alexander
Julia Iotapa (Cilician princess)
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus, Proconsul of Asia
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from the Herodian Dynasty

Antipater the Idumaean
Herod the Great
Alexander
Gaius Julius Alexander
Tigranes VI of Armenia
Gaius Julius Alexander, Ruler of Cetis in Cilicia
Julia Iotapa (Cilician princess)
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus, Proconsul of Asia
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from the Hasmoneans

The Priestly Order of Joarib
Asamoneus
Simeon
John
Mattathias
Simon Thassi
John Hyrcanus
Alexander Jannaeus + Salome Alexandra
Aristobulus II     & Hyrcanus II
Alexander          + Alexandra
Mariamne the Hasmonean, wife of Herod The Great
Alexander
Gaius Julius Alexander
Tigranes VI of Armenia
Gaius Julius Alexander, Ruler of Cetis in Cilicia
Julia Iotapa (Cilician princess)
Julia Quadratilla, wife of Gaius Julius Lupus Titus Vibius Varus Laevillus
Aulus Julius Claudius Charax
Julia, wife of Gaius Asinius Rufus
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus
Gaius Asinius Protimus Quadratus, Proconcul of Achaea
Gaius Asinius Nicomachus Julianus, Proconsul of Asia
Asinia Juliana Nicomacha, wife of Quintus Anicius Faustus
Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from Late Roman Aristocracy of Gaul

Ferreolus, a Roman Senator
Tonantius Ferreolus (prefect)
Tonantius Ferreolus II
Tonantius Ferreolus III
Ansbert
Arnoald
Itta, wife of Pepin of Landen
Begga, wife of Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from the Merovingians

Childeric I
Clovis I
Chlothar I
Charibert I
Blithilde, wife of Ansbert
Arnoald
Itta, wife of Pepin of Landen
Begga, wife of Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from Bishops of Lyon

Tullia
Aquilinus
Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Maternal Ancestry of Charlemagne's mother's father

Irmina of Oeren
Bertrada of Prüm
Charibert of Laon
Bertrada of Laon
Charlemagne

I may update this post in the future to add more lines. 

One theory I have that I can't prove, but if true would strengthen the lines I've already looked into is that Erato of Armenia was the mother of Tigranes VI of Armenia.  I think she did marry Tigranes V during his brief reign in Armenia, then after he died did a Levirate marriage with his brother thus becoming the mother of Tigranes VI.

I've also been speculating on the possibility of a connection to the Constantinian Dynasty, cheifly I have a hunch Galla wife of Eucherius of Lyon can be connected to Constantius Gallus through his daughter Anastasia who's mother was Constantina eldest daughter of Constantine The Great.

Now the Cosntantinian Dynasty I speculate may themselves by connected to the Seleucids though Eutropia.  But also if Charlemagne was a potential heir of Constantine that adds legitimacy to his being crowned Western Roman Emperor.

Update:

Charlemagne's descent from the Sceaf

Sceaf
Bedwig
Hwala
Hrathra
itermon
Heremod
Scealdwa
Beaw
Teatwa
Geat
Godwulf
Fin
Firthuwulf
Freawine
Frealaf
Firthuwald
Odin
Sigi
Rerir
Volsung
Sigmund
Sigurd
Gunther
Gondioc
Chilperic II of Burgundy
Clotilda. wife of Clovis I
Chlothar I
Charibert I
Blithilde, wife of Ansbert
Arnoald
Itta, wife of Pepin of Landen
Begga, wife of Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Another Update 

Even more Solid Merovingian descent of Charlemagne.

Childeric I
Clovis I
Chlothar I
Charibert I
Charibert of Hesbaye husband of Wulfgurd
Robert I Bishop of Tours
Lambert I of Hesbaye
Robert II Lord Chanceler of France
Lambert II of Hesbaye
Rotrude of Hesbaye wife of Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Update September 22nd 2023:

More solid Descent from Seleucids, and improves other earlier claims of this post as well.

Seleucus I Nicator + Apama
Antiochus I Soter & Achaeus
Antiochus II Theos = Laodice I
Seleucus II Callinicus & Laodice wife of Mithridates II of Pontus
Antiochus III the Great + Laodice III
Seleucus IV Philopator = Laodice IV
Demetrius I Soter
Demetrius II Nicator + Cleopatra Thea
Antiochus VIII Grypus + Tryphaena
Laodice VII Thea, wife of Mithridates I Callinicus
Antiochus I Theos of Commagene
Mithridates II of Commagene & Athenais of Media Atropatene
Mithridates III of Commagene + Iotapa
Antiochus III of Commagene = Iotapa
Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Commagene = Julia Iotapa
Julia Iotapa, wife of Gaius Julius Alexander
Gaius Julius Alexander Berenicianus
Julia Cassia Alexandra wife of Gaius Avidius Heliodorus
Gaius Avidius Cassius, Usurper Emperor in 175 AD
Avidia Cassia Alexandra
Claudia Vettia Agrippina
Claudia wife of Claudius Capitolinus Bassus, proconsul of Asia
Claudia Capitolina
Amnia Demetrias wife of Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlamagne's descent from Caesar Augustus

Octavius Caesar Augustus
Julia The Elder
Julia The Younger
Aemilia Lepida
Junia Lepida
Cassius Lepidus
Cassia Lepida
Julia Cassia Alexandra wife of Gaius Avidius Heliodorus
Gaius Avidius Cassius, Usurper Emperor in 175 AD
Avidia Cassia Alexandra
Claudia Vettia Agrippina
Claudia wife of Claudius Capitolinus Bassus, proconsul of Asia
Claudia Capitolina
Amnia Demetrias wife of Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
Arnulf of Metz
Ansegisel
Pepin of Herstal
Charles Martel
Pepin The Short
Charlemagne

Charlemagne's descent from Longinus

Gaius Cassius Longinus, Ides of March
Gaius Cassius Longinus
Gaius Cassius Longinus
Gaius Cassius Longinus, Consul Suffectus Consul in 30 AD
Cassius Lepidus
Cassia Lepida
Julia Cassia Alexandra wife of Gaius Avidius Heliodorus
Gaius Avidius Cassius, Usurper Emperor in 175 AD
Avidia Cassia Alexandra
Claudia Vettia Agrippina
Claudia wife of Claudius Capitolinus Bassus, proconsul of Asia
Claudia Capitolina
Amnia Demetrias wife of Anicius Faustus, Consul in 298
Amnius Anicius Julianus, Consul in 322
Amnius Anicius Paulinus, Consul in 334
Anicius Auchenius Bassus (prefect)
Tirrania Anicia Juliana, wife of Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius
Anicia
Adelphius of Limoges
[Name Unknown]
Ruricius Bishop of Limoges
Hiberie de Limoges, wife of Rusticus Archbishop of Lyon
Artemia, wife Roman Senator Florentinus
Arthemia, wife of Munderic 
Mummolin
Bodegisel, Based on the Vita Gundolphi
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Tuesday, July 6, 2021

Ezekiel's Temple is actually a Tabernacle

This argument is important to my understanding of how Ezekiel's Prophecies and Revelation relate.  Something I laid out the gist of last year in my post about New Jerusalem passages being misapplied to The Millennium.

There are two different Hebrew words translated "Temple" in the King James Authorized Version of The Hebrew Bible.  Both are also used of the pre-Solomonic Tabernacles.  "Beth" is used more commonly but it's translated "House" on those occasions. 

Heykal is the Hebrew term that some want to treat as very technically applicable to Solomon's Temple but not any prior Tent based Tabernacles.  And yet 1 Samuel 1:9 and 3:3 do use that word of the Tabernacle at Shiloh.  In 2 Samuel 7 YHWH says through Nathan that He hadn't dwelt in any House like what David was wanting to build since He brought Israel out of Egypt.  So whatever Heykal technically etymologically means, it must have also been applicable to the Mosaic Tabernacle even if it is was used more rarely then.  It actually never became super common even while Solomon's Temple was standing with words like Beth and Mikadesh (Sanctuary in the KJV) being more common ways to refer to the main place of worship.  Again both of those were also applicable to The Tabernacle.  Psalm 78:60 also confirms that the Tabernacle at Shiloh was still a Tent(Ohel).

Heykal is also used in 2 Samuel 22:7 and Psalm 18:6 which are just different recordings of the same Davidic Psalm.  You could interpret that as referring to The Temple is Heaven but according to Paul in Hebrews it was the Tabernacle of Moses modeled after The Temple in Heaven, not Solomon's Temple.

In The Hebrew Bible no single word seems to be used for what Solomon's Temple was that the Tabernacles of Moses and David were not.  2 Samuel 7 helps define that for us but makes no single word an easy signifier for it.  However there is a word that is the opposite, that applies to The Tabernacles but not Solomon, Zerubbabel or Herod's Temples.

There are three Hebrew words that get translated Tabernacle.  Sukkot isn't a synonym for the Holy Place at all but refers to the Tabernacles of the Feast of Tabernacles.  Mishkan is most literally translated Habitation and is also applicable to Solomon's Temple even if The Hebrew does so rarely.  However Ohel is the literal word for Tent.  1 Kings 8:4 and 2 Chronicles 5:5 and what follows them basically describe the retiring of the Ohel as The Ark is removed from it and and then placed in Solomon's non Ohel Temple.  

Ezekiel 40:1 clearly defined the Heykal this very long Prophecy is about as an Ohel, a term consistently not applicable to Solomon's Temple.  If we take that detail as literally as most of us Futurists do everything else in these chapters, then we shouldn't be picturing Walls made of Stone or Wood but a Tent.  I don't think you can find anything in these chapters to contradict that.

Other Prophecies that use Ohel of the Place of Worship in the Eschatological Messianic Kingdom include Isaiah 16:6 and 33:20.  The former specifically says the Tabernacle of David which was set up in Zion the City of David which is in Ephratah not Jerusalem according to Psalm 132.  Amos 9:11 also refers to the Tabernacle of David but using Sukkot oddly, James in Acts 15 quotes that verse with Luke using the Greek equivalent of Ohel.  The Greek Equivalent for Ohel is also used when Revelation 21 calls New Jerusalem The Tabernacle of God.

More then one Greek word is translated Temple just like in the Hebrew, one is based on a word for Holy, one is also a word for House.  Naos, is the word that many may wish to treat as equivalent to Heykal, but I have some issues with that.  And I don't care how the Septuagint used Naos because I inherently distrust the Septuagint.

Stephen in Acts 7:48 and Paul in Acts 17:24 says God doesn't dwell in Naos made of human hands.  Literally that would exclude a Tent as much as a building made of Stone or Wood, and ultimately I believe it does, but Stephen's context in Acts 7:44-50 is tying that idea to his distinguishing Solomon's Naos from the Tabernacles of Moses and David.

What Naos meant in it's Pagan Greek context was also rather technical and precise in a way that I feel makes it not very applicable to how Heykal was used, at least not always.  The Naos referred specifically to a building that housed the Idol or representation of the god being worshiped and not the outdoor courtyards where sacrifices were made.  It's known usage in Egypt was the same, and as a Weeb I'd also say it equate it to the Honden of a Shinto Shrine.  Meaning if we translate that to how Herod's Temple worked it referred to the building that contained the Holy Place and Holy of Holies but not the outdoor area where The Brazen Altar was. 

Perhaps if any Hebrew term is equivalent to Naos it's Dbiyr a word used only of the Inner Sanctuary of Solomon's Temple (the KJV translates it Oracle but not every Oracle in the KJV is this word)  in 1 Kings 6:5-31, 7:49, 8:6-8 and 2 Chronicles 3:16, 4:20, 5:7-9 but was never part of The Torah's description of The Tabernacle.

So when Revelation 21:22 says New Jerusalem has no Naos for the Lamb is The Temple like He is The Light, it is chiefly a Temple like Solomon's or Herod I feel is meant.  A literal Tent based place of worship is perhaps equally as unnecessary, but not as definitely said to not be present.  And whether literal Tents are physically involved or not the text of Revelation 21 enthusiastically associates that Greek word with this future Worship.

The significance of the Naos being gone would then be the same as the significance of the Veil being torn.