Monday, February 13, 2023

Babylon in Egypt

The existence of a place called Babylon in Ancient Egypt, not poetically or spiritually but as it's literal official name, is a pretty fascinating subject.  Babylon in Egypt was also the embryo of the city now known as Cairo, the Capital of Modern Egypt and religiously important to both Muslims in Egypt and Coptic Christianity.

Speculation that this could be relevant to Biblical uses of the name Babylon mostly focus on 1 Peter 5:13's usage, since Marcus/Mark is said to be with him in the same verse and tradition says Mark went to Egypt.  But I'm as skeptical of the Mark in Egypt traditions as I am the Peter in Rome and John in Ephesus traditions.  My theory is the Christian Community of Alexandria was largely founded in the late 1st or early 2d century by Christians from Cyprus and their particular interest in Mark and Barnabas comes from their connection to Cyprus.  I think Peter and Mark were in Seleucia on the Tigris when that Epistle was written.

For New Testament relevance I've actually become very interested in Babylon in Egypt possibly explaining the use of the name in Revelation.

The main argument against this that isn't more an argument for Babylon being somewhere else would be that the only explicit reference to Egypt in Revelation is calling the "Great City" Spiritually Sodom and Egypt in chapter 11, with "Spiritually" in a context like this being presumed to be mutually exclusive to literally or geographically, and elsewhere The Great City is explicitly Babylon.  I have two responses to that.

1st from a certain POV you could almsot argue actual Egypt was only still Egyptian Spiritually by this point, the land had been increasingly colonized by the various Empires of Daniel 2&7 and their native languages were on the decline being largely only still used for Religious purposes, yet Egyptian Paganism still thrived both in Egypt and throughout the Empire.

2nd is that I feel the relationships between certain key terms in Revelation are not as geographically synonymous as a casual reading assumes, and that some relate to each other more abstractly.  The Babylon Fortress was from 30 BC onwards a Roman Military fortress, it was central to how Rome enforced it's military might in the region.  The fact is a significant number of the Roman troops involved in the 66-73 AD Jewish-Roman War were probably troops who had been stationed in the Babylon Fortress before it started.

So this view need not conflict with arguments for Babylon being Rome, the Seven Hilled City of Revelation 17 I still believe refers to the Seven Hills of Rome.  I stand by my argument for how the Great City of Revelation 11 could be Rome and for the Roma Cult argument that the Woman of Revelation 17 is the people of Rome no matter where they dwell.  The Beast is definitely still the Roman Empire.  Or "Great City" could refer to different cities in different contexts, sometimes Jerusalem, sometimes Rome and sometimes Babylon in Egypt.

But before I return to Revelation I want to speculate on how even some Hebrew Bible references to Babylon could be this Babylon in Egypt.  

The origins of there being a settlement in Egypt called Babylon do predate the Roman Fortress and possibly go back to Babylonian Refugees in Egypt during the time of Assyria's Conquests contemporary with King Hezekiah of Judah and thus also the Prophets Micah and Isaiah.  Based on the conclusions of my Languages of the Table of Nations theories the language of the Babylonians was a Canaanite Language, so Babylon in Egypt could be one of those Five Cities from Isaiah 19.

The Biblical chapter divisions we're used to aren't in the original text, the famous Bethlehem Prophecy of Micah 5 is actually in the context of Micah 4 which refers to the Migdal Eder and Zion.  Micah 4:10 has the Daughter of Zion after giving birth go to Babylon, well Christians know this was actually fulfilled by going to Egypt, both with Mary in Matthew 2 and then the people as a whole after being conquered by Titus, Josephus says Titus stopped at Alexandria with his Captives on the way to Rome and then once at Rome started his Triumph in the Temple of Isis.  Latter after the Fall of Masada the surviving Zealots go to Egypt to rile things up there.  This arguably also fulfills the prophecy of Israel returning to Egypt in Hosea 8:13-9:3.

In the time of Isaiah this Babylon in Egypt was possibly a settlement of ethnic Babylonians (like a little Italy or a Chinatown) so Isaiah could have referred to them in Ethnic terms, he could have called them the Daughter of Babylon for the same reason he called Tyre the daughter of Sidon.

Ezekiel 20:36 justifies calling the land of Egypt a wilderness fitting the third verse of Revelation 17.  And Ezekiel 23 associated Egypt with the theme of Israel's Idolatry as Spiritual Whoredom/Adulatory which is another theme Revelation 17 is drawing on.

What really compels me though is the possibly of the Babylon of Isaiah 13-14 being a Babylon in Egypt thus justifying placing the Seat/Throne of Satan in Egypt.  I've already talked on this blog about how I now view the King of Babylon of Isaiah 14 as having never been a mortal ruler but always a title of Heylel ben Shachar.

Sobek was often depicted as with Isis healing the murdered Osiris.  Sobek's association with Ra which became his main form during Ptolemaic and Roman times could explain why The Dragon of Revelation 12 is Red since Ra is usually depicted as a Red Sun rather then Yellow.  And that association with The Sun also provides relevance to the Babylon fortress being in the area of Heliopolis.

When people say the reason Rome is called Babylon in Revelation was to try and hide what they were talking about from Romans who might happen to read it I get annoyed.  What makes Babylon in some sense Rome is entirely Rome's own self identification, no Patriotic Roman reading the text would see chapter 17 refer to a City on Seven Hills with Seven Kings and fail to recognize that. It is attempts to find an alternate Sola Scriptura explanation for those symbols that leads one away from Rome and to Daniel 7 and other prophecies referencing the same animals or symbolic Harlots.  It is studying the Hebrew Bible references being drawn on that points one to Egypt as the secret actual focus of the narrative, if it's not as straight forward as simply being Babylon or more broadly Iraq.

For more Egyptian Relevance to Revelation beyond just Babylon read this follow up post.

Monday, February 6, 2023

Things that are NOT signs of the End (a partial Matthew 24 commentary)

[1] And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[2] And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age?

I agree with Preterists that when The Disciples said "these things" they were thinking of what Jesus said in the prior verse and probably also what He said at the end of chapter 23.  And I suspect they assumed those things happen at the same time as what they asked about next, the sign of Jesus's Parousia and of the end of the Age.

However there is a theme throughout the Gospels of the Disciples being mistaken about certain things and Jesus then trying to correct them.  And that this is one of those is implied by what Jesus says next.

[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Assumptions are frequently key to how deceptions work.

Verses 5-7 are what verse 8 calls the beginning of sorrows.  They are also called the Non Signs by the late Chuck Missler because of the last part of verse 6  "see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet".  But I think it's particularly notable that the "wars and rumours of wars" was what directly preceded that statement.  

The Temple was destroyed because of a war, and it wasn't the only war going on at that time, there had recently been rebellion in Britain and then civil war broke out because of Galba overthrowing Nero starting the year of the four emperors.  The rumors of wars refers to wars that could have happened but were averted, like the tensions between Rome and Parthia at this time.

I'm still of the opinion that the fist proper false Christ was Bar Kochba, but still a more fluid definition of what it means to be a false Christ is applicable to many people both before and during the first Jewish-Roman War.

The verse that proclaims all of these to be not actually signs is rightly used often to make fun of the more sensationalist Futurists.  But it's 70 AD Preterism especially Full Preterism that it outright founded upon ignoring the ramifications of Jesus saying this, if the end was always a mere 40 years away max then it was never not nigh.

I think even the Persecution discussion is really part of the Non Signs, Roman Persecution started with Trajan but the first empire wide one was under Decius and the only really great one was the Diocletian Persecution.  But the end of Roman persecution ushered in Persian Persecution, and even today in many countries Christians are being persecuted.

I've also come to agree with Preterists that the word for "World" in verse 14 being neither Kosmos or Aion is one that can be interpreted as meaning the domain of the Roman Empire.  But even then The Gospel still hadn't reached all of the Roman world by 70 AD.  

It was in the late Second Century that it first came to Gaul and Britannia, I'd been attracted to the various legends and fringe theories about New Testament characters coming to First Century Albion myself in the past, but they don't hold up as even Geoffrey of Monmouth says The British Church began with Lucius in the time of Eleutherius, around then is also when Tertullian first mentions Christians being in Brittan.  There are misleading legends tied even to that Lucius as I don't think he was a King but maybe was Lucius Ulpius Marcellus.  And The Church in Gaul started a little before then with Pothinus and Irenaeus who moved there from Ionia (Ephesus, Smyrna, Miletus).  With Britain you can try to make an excuse that it wasn't part of the Empire yet when Jesus made this Prophecy, but Gaul absolutely was.

Still while verse 14 can be interpreted as having that limited scale I'm inclined to think it's not.  That word translated world is a particularly fancy Greek word for Household.  While Greco-Romans did use if for the Imperium like in Luke 2:1's account of the Census decree.  I think Jesus means the Household of Adam, since Son of Man is the title for Himself that He likes to use when describing The Parousia.

Preterists will then try to prove this was fulfilled in the first century by taking certain things Paul said in Romans and Colossians out of context.  Paul is talking about what the mission of The Church during the Age of Grace is, in context he clearly does not see that mission as actually already accomplished or he wouldn't still be doing what he's doing.  When Preterists "Proof Text" like this it's just like the worst Futurist bad understanding of the concept of using Scripture to Interpret Scripture, just cause those verses use similar language doesn't mean they solve each other.

Verse 15 is where the actual signs of the end start, that is the fig tree showing it's leaves in verse 32, the Generation that sees that is the one that shall not pass away in verse 34.

I've already deconstructed the notion of that being applicable to anything in 70 AD.  I think the similar yet different description in Mark can be applicable to Hadrian's Abomination, but Matthew is different.  Getting into that here would distract from the main point at hand, I'm still not entirely decided on it myself.

Monday, December 12, 2022

The Three Faces of Eve in The Book of Revelation

I have come to view The Woman of Revelation 12, the Harlot of Revelation 17, The Bride of Christ in Revelation 19 and The Lamb's Wife in Revelation 21 as the same Symbolic Woman.  I'd stated that on this Blog before but I feel it needs restating, most posts I've done before on any of these personages are pieces in putting this puzzle together.

Most theologians who would say something like this are not Futurists like I am but more taking an Idealist view of Revelation like Peter Heitt.  Pre-Trib/PreWrath Dispensationalists tend to view there as being three women (everyone agrees that the Bride and the Wife at the same), while Post-Trib Futurists prefer to see the Bride and the Mother in Revelation 12 as the same but the Harlot as still an irredeemable enemy who simply dies when she is killed.

I believe in Universal Salvation, the Metanarrative of Scripture is that Israel was Widowed and Divorced because of her Adulatorous Harlotry but YHWH is going to Redeem and Remarry her just like Hosea and Gomer, He will Restore Judah and Samaria and even Sodom as Ezekiel 16 clearly states, Ezekiel 27 returns to those themes, this cycle was first laid out in Deuteronomy 29-30 and is reaffirmed in Malachi chapter 3 and Romans 11.

The Dispensationalist view on the Women of Revelation happens to resemble The Three Faces of Eve Trope, which is an analysis of the concept that Patriarchal Society tends to see women in only 3 roles, a faithful Wife/Mother, a Harlotrous Seductress, or a Innocent Virgin/Child.  Of course my making all three the same woman can also be seen as an example of that trope.  Except that usually as stages in the character development of one character it goes in the opposite direction, you start as an innocent, then get sexually active, then settle down, The Woman of Revelation is introduced giving birth and ends the story as a Virgin.

As an Anime Weirdo, this reading of the Book of Revelation factors into why a number of my favorite Anime are shows where one of the principal Villains is also the Damsel in Distress at the same time, stories where saving the Villainess is the Heroes' emotionally most important objective, the World being Saved in the process is just an added bonus, like how Ezekiel 16 frames the restoration of Sodom as being because it'd be unfair to save Israel but not Sodom, and Roman 11 clarified that it's not till the FULLNESS of the Gentiles are grafted into Israel that ALL Israel shall be Saved.

Pretear and a number of other Magical Girl stories fit this to varying degrees. SSSS.Gridman was one of the shows that first made me see this as a common theme. It's also a big part of Robotics;Notes and Chaos;Child, one could debatably see Utena and Princess Tutu as fitting too.  Oh and Future Diary counts as well, but be warned that one is an edgy and trashy ride to get there.  [Update April 2023: Now that I've finally watched it I can add Re:Creators to this list.]

It would naturally spoil these shows a bit to go into detail, maybe you feel I've spoiled them by mentioning they do this at all, but I didn't say which characters this applied to.  And SSSS.Gridman is a show that isn't good because anything was a surprise, if you're at all Genre Savvy it was clear from episode 1 where it was going.  In Robotics;Notes it is also clear early on to the audience that Misaki Senomiya has become a villain in the present, how and why is the mystery.  It's Misaki who perhaps best fits the relevance here, she's the older sister of the Female Protagonist and informally basically of the Male Protagonist as well, which is similar to being a mother.

I'm sure there are stories that do this with a male character as well if you want to see these Gender norms subverted, it's just Anime Girls are who I'm most drawn to personally.

These are often exactly the Anime that lend themselves to Bring Me To Life AMVs.

But I should mention in some of these shows the character in questions is not the only villain or even only major villain, there sometimes still is an Unrepentant Pure Evil Antagonist that an infernalsit viewer could view as representing the Reprobate or Satan.

Thursday, November 3, 2022

Lutheran Aristocracy

Lutheran Aristocracy 

House of Ludovingian
Louis I, Landgrave of Thuringia
:Louis II, Landgrave of Thuringia
::Louis III, Landgrave of Thuringia           
::Hermann I, Landgrave of Thuringia, Patron of Wolfram von Eschenbach
:::Jutta  
::::Henry III, Margrave of Meissen    
:::::Albert II, Margrave of Meissen   
::::::Frederick I, Margrave of Meissen (Became Heir to House of Hohenstaufen)
::::Herman I, Count of Henneberg
:::Louis IV, Landgrave of Thuringia
::::Hermann II, Landgrave of Thuringia
::::Sophie of Thuringia, Duchess of Brabant
:::::Henry I, Landgrave of Hesse
:::Irmgard
::::Henry II, Prince of Anhalt-Aschersleben
::::Bernhard I, Prince of Anhalt-Bernburg
::::Siegfried I, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst
:::::Albert I, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst
:::Henry Raspe
:::Conrad, Grand Master of The Teutonic Knights

Reformation Era (16th Century)

Philip I, Langrave of Hesse (Heir of Henry I Landgrave of Hesse)
John the Steadfast Elector of Saxony (Heir of Frederick I, Margrave of Meissen)
Henry IV the Pious, Duke of Saxony (Another Patrilineal Descendent of Fredrick of Meissen)
Ernest I, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg as well as his brothers Otto and Francis (Their mother was John The Steadfast's Sister)
Julius of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel
Philip I, Duke of Brunswick-Grubenhagen
John V Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst 
George III Prince of Anhalt-Dessau
Joachim I Prince of Anhalt-Dessau
Jobst II, Count of Hoya
Bernhard VIII, Count of Lippe
Barnim XI, Duke of Pomerania
Philip I, Duke of Pomerania
Philip III Count of Waldeck and his nephew Count Philip IV of Waldeck-Wildungen
George I of Württemberg-Mömpelgard and his brother Ulrich
John Albert I, Duke of Mecklenburg
John III Duke of Cleves (Mother was another descendent of Henry Landgrave of Hesse)

Albert of Prussia last Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights and first Duke of Prussia 
Joachim II Hector, Elector of Brandenburg, Albert's Paternal Cousin
John, Margrave of Brandenburg-Küstrin a brother of Joachim II Hector.

Louis V, Elector Palatine
Frederick II, Elector Palatine
Otto Henry, Elector Palatine
John II, Count Palatine of Simmern
Wolfgang, Count Palatine of Zweibrücken (Mother and Wife were both Princesses of Hesse)
Charles II Margrave of Baden-Durlach

William I, Count of Nassau-Dillenburg (His mother was another descendent of Henry Landgrave of Hesse)
Christopher, Count of Oldenburg
Anthony I, Count of Oldenburg
Gustav I of Sweden
Elizabeth of Denmark, Electress of Brandenburg
Dorothea of Denmark, Duchess of Prussia
Christian III of Denmark 
The Cadet branch of his dynasty founded by his third son often intermarried with these families, the Dukes of Schleswig-Holstein.
His Half-Brothers founded Cadet Branches of their own that did the same.

Bavarian Illuminati Members (usually born in the 1740s or 1750s)

Ernest II Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg (Was the senior Male-preference Primogeniture heir of John the Steadfast)
Prince August of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Karl August Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (Was the senior Male-only Primogeniture heir of John the Steadfast)
Prince Frederick Ferdinand Constantin of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Prince Charles of Hesse-Kassel
Prince Christian of Hesse-Darmstadt
?Louis X, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt
Frederick V, Landgrave of Hesse-Homburg
?Frederick Christian II, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (not an official member but is mentioned by Bode)
Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick-Lüneburg-Wolfenbüttel (1721-1792)
?Frederick William III of Prussia father of Kaiser Wilhelm I

Nazi Party Members and Sympathizers (alive in the 1930s and 40s)

House of Hohenzollern
Kaiser Wilhelm II sometimes expressed support for Hitler but sometimes condemned him
:Prince August Wilhelm of Prussia (NSDAP – 24)
::Prince Alexander Ferdinand of Prussia (NSDAP – 534782)
:Prince Joachim Franz Humbert of Prussia
::Prince Karl Franz of Prussia (NSDAP – 2407422)
:Princess Victoria Louise of Prussia
Princess Margaret of Prussia (NSDAP – 4814690)
Princess Marianne of Prussia (NSDAP – 4628851)

British Royals
Duke of Windsor/King Edward VIII, senior Male-preference primogeniture heir of Ernest II, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 4969451)
:Gottfried Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (NSDAP – 402307)
Princess Victoria Melita of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Charles Edward Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 2560843)
:Johann Leopold, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 1037966)
:Prince Hubertus of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 7213588)
Princess Marie Louise of Hanover and Cumberland
:Princess Marie Alexandra of Baden (NSDAP – 7900128)
:Berthold, Margrave of Baden
Princess Alexandra of Hanover and Cumberland
:Friedrich Franz, Hereditary Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (SS) (NSDAP – 504973)
:Duke Christian Louis of Mecklenburg
Ernest Augustus, Duke of Brunswick

Other Princes of Saxony
Prince Rainer of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 300354)
Prince Ernst of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 196633)
Prince Leopoldine of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (NSDAP – 1453322)
Georg of Saxe-Meiningen (NSDAP – 2594794)
Bernhard Prince of Saxe-Meiningen (NSDAP – 898842)
Ernst II Duke of Saxe-Altenburg (NSDAP – 4868932)
:Georg Moritz Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Altenburg

House of Hesse
Frederick Charles Louis Constantine Prince and Landgrave of Hesse (NSDAP – 4814689)
:Philip Landgrave of Hesse (NSDAP – 418991)
:Prince Wolfgang of Hesse-Cassel (NSDAP – 1794944)
:Prince Christopher of Hesse-Cassel (SS) (NSDAP – 696176)
Chlodwig Langrave of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld
:Prince Wilhelm of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld (SS) (NSDAP – 1187621)
:Alexander Friedrich of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld (NSDAP – 1184026)
:Princess Viktoria Cacilie (NSDAP – 3515493)
Ernest Louis Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine
:Louis Prince of Hesse and by Rhine (NSDAP – 5900506)
:Georg Donatus Hereditary Grand Duke of Hesse  (NSDAP – 3766312)
Princess Cecilie of Greece and Denmark (NSDAP – 3766313)
Prince Richard of Hesse (NSDAP – 1203662)

House of Lippe
Princess Marie Adelheid of Lippe (NSDAP – 237533)
Prince Bernhard of Lippe
:Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands (NSDAP – 2583009)
:Prince Aschwin of Lippe-Biesterfeld (NSDAP – 5854038)
Leopold IV Prince of Lippe
:Ernst Hereditary Prince of Lippe (SS) (NSDAP – 88835)
:Prince Leopold Bernhard of Lippe
:Prince Chlodwig of Lippe
Wolrad Prince of Schaumburg-Lippe (NSDAP – 3681098)
Prince Stephan of Schaumburg-Lippe (NSDAP – 309344)
Prince Friedrich Christian of Schaumburg-Lippe (NSDAP – 95146)
Princess Bathildis of Schaumburg-Lippe (NSDAP – 3681097)

Others
Princess Marie-Auguste of Anhalt (NSDAP – 3452693)
Duchess Edda Charlotte of Anhalt (NSDAP – 4843880)
Duke Joachim Ernst of Anhalt (NSDAP – 7267717)
Princess Pauline of Württemberg
Nikolaus Hereditary Grand Duke of Oldenburg (NSDAP – 4085803)
Duchess Altburg of Oldenburg (NSDAP – 161001)
Josias Hereditary Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont (SS) (NSDAP – 160025)
:Princess Margarethe of Waldeck and Pyrmont (NSDAP – 8562493)
:Prince Wittekind of Waldeck and Pyrmont (Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler were his Godfathers)

House of Windsor's succession from Hohenstaufen

Frederick Barbarossa Holy Roman Emperor
Henry VI, Holy Roman Emperor
Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor
Margaret of Sicily, Wife of Albert II Margrave of Meissen
Frederick I, Margrave of Meissen
Frederick II, Margrave of Meissen
Frederick III, the Strict
Frederick I, Elector of Saxony
Frederick II, Elector of Saxony
Ernest, Elector of Saxony
Johann the Steadfast Elector of Saxony
Johann Friedrich I, Elector of Saxony
Johann Wilhelm, Duke of Saxe-Weimar
Friedrich Wilhelm I, Duke of Saxe-Weimar
Johann Philipp, Duke of Saxe-Altenburg
Princess Elisabeth Sophie of Saxe-Altenburg, Wife of Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Gotha
Frederick I, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Frederick II, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Frederick III, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Ernest II, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Augustus, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Princess Louise of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg, Wife of Ernest III, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Albert, Prince Consort of Queen Victoria
King Edward VII
King George V
King George VI
Queen Elizabeth II
King Charles III
William, Prince of Wales
Prince George of Wales

Holy Roman Imperial Descent of Frederick Barbarossa

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Ingeltrude
Hedwig of Babenberg
Henry the Fowler
Otto the Great
Liutgard of Saxony (died 953)
Otto of Worms
Henry of Speyer
Conrad II, Holy Roman Emperor
Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor
Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor
Agnes of Germany
Frederick II, Duke of Swabia
Frederick Barbarossa

Holy Roman Imperial Descent of Hermann I, Landgrave of Thuringia

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Ingeltrude
Hedwig of Babenberg
Henry the Fowler
Otto the Great
Liutgard of Saxony (died 953)
Otto of Worms
Henry of Speyer
Conrad II, Holy Roman Emperor
Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor
Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor
Agnes of Germany
Frederick II, Duke of Swabia
Judith of Hohenstaufen
Hermann I, Landgrave of Thuringia

Tuesday, September 6, 2022

Thousand years as a Day

The hyper literal face value understanding of the "surely I come quickly" verses that Full Preterism is built on is naturally incompatible with taking the Thousand Years of Revelation 20 at equally face value.  If EVEYTHING in the book must surely happen quickly, then clearly two of those events can't be separated by a full Millennium.

I specify Full Preterist here because Partial Preterist and Post Millenialists tend to make the Thousand years longer not shorter.  I do still think Partial Preterism is partially correct on many things.

The problem with the Full Preterist understanding of the Millennium is that even a not exactly literal use of "Thousand years" is still clearly meant to imply a long time, it's meant to imply we shouldn't expect it to end within a mortal lifetime.  

So Full Preterists cling to the "Thousand years as a day and a day as a thousand years" verses.  When you engage in very unscholarly proof texting yeah those seem like they give you the excuse they need to make a Thousand utterly meaningless.  

But when you read them in context, when you read the entirety of Psalm 90 and 2 Peter 3, the point being made, the Impression being given, is clearly all about how what can seem like endless ages to humans is nothing to God.  They are clearly conveying the opposite of what Full Preterists want, they give us every reason not to take "surely I come quickly" at face value and no reason to think a promised Earthly Millennium will end in a day.

2 Peter 3 is especially clear on this, because earlier that chapter is foretelling how people in the future will lose faith in the promised Coming because the "fathers fell asleep" and nothing has changed.  The whole point of the passage is specifically that Jesus did not "surely come quickly" by a mortal understanding of time, but we should none the less have faith that God is not slacking off but delaying only to give the heathens more time to repent.

1 Peter may have been written before 70 AD, but 2 Peter certainly came after, Peter never went to Rome and the Neronian persecution didn't happen.

Even without this understanding of the "Thousand Years as a Day" verses, Greek scholars understand that this kind of language used in Revelation 22 was often used euphemistically to mean "certainly will come to pass" and are not inherently meant to be literally taken as timing statements.  Hebrews 10:36-37 is similar, on the one hand it seems to say "soon" but also says "awhile" and tells us to be patient.

Honestly part of the problem with preterist interpretations of passages like Hebrew 10:36-37 is modern individualism which runs contrary the the more collectivist thinking of all first century people Pagan, Jewish and Christian.  They are speaking as if the audience reading this will be there when it happens because they are speaking to the Church and/or Israel (depending on how you prefer to look at it) as a collective not the specific individuals who were the very first to ever read it.

The "this Generation" statement of Matthew 24 exists in the context of what Jesus said before, "this" is grammatically applied to the generation that sees the signs.  Now understand that I am not a conventional Futurist, I have my doubts "this Generation" began when most Dispensationalists currently think it did.  I think the key sign to look for is The Abomination of Desolation.

And it doesn't matter how many other times "this generation" means the people listening to Jesus right now, "this generation" is a phrase that doesn't automatically always mean the same generation every time it appears, the context of where it's said determines it.

And the "there be some standing here" verses always directly proceeds the Transfiguration for a reason.  The "Son of man coming in his kingdom" wording of Mathew 16:28 is in fact peculiar and in my opinion should not be interpreted as specifically about the Parousia, not even just because that word itself isn't used in the Greek, it's about Him glorified having the qualities of the Kingdom.  But if you aren't satisfied by it being fulfilled just by the Transfiguration then it could also apply to just seeing the risen Jesus which all but one of the 12 got to.

Also "some" is a misleading translation, the YLT says "certain" instead and other versions don't feature an equivalent word there at all which actually does better match the Greek.  So no the text of this verse does not imply inherently a minority of the audience being referred to.

Sunday, September 4, 2022

Mariamne Magdalene

Mariamne is an unusual Greek form of the Hebrew name Miriam that Josephus uses a lot but never the New Testament (I don't currently know if it's ever in the LXX, Greek Apocrypha or Philo).  

It is most commonly associated in the study of Greco-Roman history with certain women of the Hasmonean and Herodian Dynasties, but Josephus does also use it of Miriam the Sister of Moses showing it is a form of the same name we today commonly know simply as Maria, Marie or Mary. 

The most famous Mariamne is the second wife of Herod who was also a Granddaughter of both sons of Alexander Janneus and Salome Alexandra, commonly designated Mariamne I.

Mariamne III is the designation commonly given to the youngest child of Aristobulus the first born son of Mariamne I.  Two of her siblings are unambiguously mentioned in the New Testament, Herodias who was married to Antipas when John The Baptist lost his head, and Herod Agrippa I in Acts 12.

We don't know anything for certain about Mariamne III's life besides that she existed and was named Mariamne.  If she was indeed the youngest child of Aristobolus then she was probably born between 10 and 7 BC, for timeline context 11 or 12 BC is the date I currently favor for the Nativity of Jesus.  This Mariamne could be the same Mariamne who Archelus was briefly married to in 6 AD but spurned for Glaphyra, but that's uncertain.  Either way she disappears from history after that.

Mary Magdalene is first introduced chronologically speaking in Luke 8
And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, and certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, and Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.
Joanna's connection to the court of Herod Antipas has made some reading this passage speculate all three might have come from there.  At least two of Mariamne III's siblings were living in the court of Herod Antipas in the late 20s and early 30s AD, the same two mentioned above.

So I have developed a hunch that Mary Magdalene of The Bible and Mariamne III of Josephus are the same woman, just at different points in her life.

Sunday, August 28, 2022

Some unique lines of Descent from Charlemagne.

 Charlemagne is the ancestor of all European Royalty and a good percentage of people who aren't royals at all.  Thought lines we can't document some thing pretty much all people who's ancestors were in Western Europe in the past 500 years descent from Charlemagne.

I already did a post on Charlemagne's ancestry.  But this also begs the question of who is the most Senior descendent of Charlemagne, who's the theoretical head of this huge family?  UsefulCharts has some videos trying to deduce this through standards that Medieval Europe would have actually used.  But today society is more enlightened on Gender and so we should consider some less Patriarchal standards.  And so that's what I have compiled today.

Gender Neutral Primogeniture Succession from Charlemagne

If you count Bernard of Italy

Charlemagne
Pepin of Italy
Bernard of Italy
Pepin, Count of Vermandois
Herbert I, Count of Vermandois
Beatrice of Vermandois
Hugh the Great
Beatrice of France
Theodoric I, Duke of Upper Lorraine
Frederick II, Duke of Upper Lorraine
Sophie, Countess of Bar
Theodoric I, Count of Montbéliard
Sophie († 1148), married in 1128 to Richard II, Count of Montfaucon
Amadeus II of Montfaucon
Walter of Montbéliard
Eschiva de Montfaucon
John II, Lord of Beirut
Eschive d'Ibelin
Rupen of Montfort
Jeanne of Montfort
Maria of Ibelin
Guy
Hugh

Charlemagne
Pepin of Italy
Bernard of Italy
Pepin, Count of Vermandois
Herbert I, Count of Vermandois
Beatrice of Vermandois
Hugh the Great
Beatrice of France
Theodoric I, Duke of Upper Lorraine
Frederick II, Duke of Upper Lorraine
Sophie, Countess of Bar
Theodoric I, Count of Montbéliard
Sophie († 1148), married in 1128 to Richard II, Count of Montfaucon
Amadeus II of Montfaucon
Walter of Montbéliard
Eschiva de Montfaucon
John II, Lord of Beirut
Eschive d'Ibelin
Hugh IV of Cyprus
James I of Cyprus
Janus, King of Cyprus
Anne de Lusignan
Amadeus IX, Duke of Savoy
Anne of Savoy
Charlotte of Naples
Anne de Laval, Viscountess of Thouars
Louis III de La Trémoille
Claude de La Trémoille
Henri de La Trémoille
Henri Charles de La Trémoille
Charles Belgique Hollande de La Trémoille
Marie Armande de La Trémoille
Marie Hortense Victoire de La Tour d'Auvergne
Jean Bretagne Charles de La Trémoille
Charles Bretagne Marie de La Trémoille
As far as Wikipedia allows me to trace it

If you don't count Bernard of Italy

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Lothair I
Louis II of Italy
Ermengard of Italy
Louis the Blind
Charles-Constantine
Constance of Vienne
Rotbold I, Count of Provence
Rotbold II, Count of Provence
Emma of Provence
Pons, Count of Toulouse
William IV, Count of Toulouse
Philippa, Countess of Toulouse
William X, Duke of Aquitaine
Eleanor of Aquitaine
Marie of France, Countess of Champagne
Henry II, Count of Champagne
Alice of Champagne
Mary of Lusignan, Countess of Brienne
Hugh, Count of Brienne
Joanna of Brienne

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Lothair I
Louis II of Italy
Ermengard of Italy
Louis the Blind
Charles-Constantine
Constance of Vienne
Rotbold I, Count of Provence
Rotbold II, Count of Provence
Emma of Provence
Pons, Count of Toulouse
William IV, Count of Toulouse
Philippa, Countess of Toulouse
William X, Duke of Aquitaine
Eleanor of Aquitaine
Marie of France, Countess of Champagne
Henry II, Count of Champagne
Alice of Champagne
Isabella of Cyprus
Hugh III of Cyprus
Amalric of Lusignan
John of Poitiers-Lusignan
Leo V of Armenia
Marie of Lusignan

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Lothair I
Louis II of Italy
Ermengard of Italy
Louis the Blind
Charles-Constantine
Constance of Vienne
Rotbold I, Count of Provence
Rotbold II, Count of Provence
Emma of Provence
Pons, Count of Toulouse
William IV, Count of Toulouse
Philippa, Countess of Toulouse
William X, Duke of Aquitaine
Eleanor of Aquitaine
Marie of France, Countess of Champagne
Henry II, Count of Champagne
Alice of Champagne
Isabella of Cyprus
Hugh III of Cyprus
Guy, Constable of Cyprus
Hugh IV of Cyprus
From here on it's the same as the Bernard of Italy line

Gender Neutral Primogeniture Succession from Eleanor of Aquitaine's Marriage to Henry II of England.

Eleanor of Aquitaine + Henry II
Matilda of England, Duchess of Saxony
Henry V, Count Palatine of the Rhine
Irmengard of Baden
Herman VI, Margrave of Baden
Agnes of Baden, Duchess of Carinthia
Catherine of Heunburg
Frederick I, Count of Celje
Ulrich I, Count of Celje
William, Count of Celje
Anna of Cilli
Hedwig Jagiellon
As far as I could trace it on Wikipedia.
UsefulCharts also has a video on Matrilineal Descent from Eleanor of Aquitaine.

Gender Neutral Primogeniture Succession from Charles The Bald who inherited France

Charles The Bald
Judith of Flanders
Baldwin II of Flanders
Adalulf Count of Boulogne
Arnulf II of Boulogne
Baldwin II of Boulogne
Eustace I of Boulogne
Eustace II of Boulogne
Eustace III of Boulogne
Matilda of Boulogne
Marie I Countess of Boulogne
Mathilde of Flanders
Margaret of Brabant
Otto II Count of Guelders
Reginald I of Guelders
Reginald II of Guelders
Marie of Guelders
Joanna of Jülich
Maria van Arkel
Arnold of Egmond
Mary of Guelders
James III of Scotland
James IV of Scotland
James V of Scotland
Mary Queen of Scots
James VI of Scotland and I of England
Elizabeth Stuart Queen of Bohemia
Charles I Louis Elector Palatine
Princess Elisabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate
Philippe II Duke of Orléans
Charlotte Aglaé d'Orléans
Maria Teresa Felicitas d'Este
Louise Marie Adélaïde de Bourbon Duchess of Orléans
Louis Philippe I King of The French
Ferdinand Philippe Duke of Orléans
Prince Philippe of Orléans Count of Paris
Princess Hélène of Orléans
Prince Amedeo Duke of Aosta
Princess Margherita of Savoy-Aosta
Archduchess Maria Beatrice Anna Felicitas Zita Charlotte Adelheid Christina Elisabeth Gennara

Charles The Bald
Judith of Flanders
Baldwin II of Flanders
Arnulf I, Count of Flanders
Hildegarde
Arnulf, Count of Holland
Dirk III, Count of Holland
Floris I, Count of Holland
Bertha of Holland
Constance of France, Princess of Antioch
Bohemond II of Antioch
Constance of Antioch
Maria of Antioch
Alexios II Komnenos

Charles The Bald
Judith of Flanders
Baldwin II of Flanders
Arnulf I, Count of Flanders
Hildegarde
Arnulf, Count of Holland
Dirk III, Count of Holland
Floris I, Count of Holland
Bertha of Holland
Constance of France, Princess of Antioch
Bohemond II of Antioch
Constance of Antioch
Bohemond III of Antioch
Raymond IV, Count of Tripoli
Raymond-Roupen
Maria of Antioch-Armenia
Humphrey of Montfort
Rupen of Montfort
Jeanne of Montfort

Eventually this too arguably converges on Hugh IV of Cyprus

Female Preference Primogeniture Succession from Charlemagne just for the fun of it

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Judith of Friuli
Gisela (mother of Regelinda)
Regelinda of Zürich
Bertha of Swabia
Adelaide of Italy
Emma of Italy
Louis V of France

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Judith of Friuli
Gisela (mother of Regelinda)
Regelinda of Zürich
Bertha of Swabia
Adelaide of Italy
Matilda, Abbess of Quedlinburg

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Judith of Friuli
Gisela (mother of Regelinda)
Regelinda of Zürich
Bertha of Swabia
Adelaide of Italy
Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor
Adelaide I, Abbess of Quedlinburg & Sophia I, Abbess of Gandersheim

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Judith of Friuli
Gisela (mother of Regelinda)
Regelinda of Zürich
Bertha of Swabia
Adelaide of Italy
Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor
Matilda of Germany, Countess Palatine of Lotharingia
Richeza of Lotharingia
Richeza of Poland, Queen of Hungary
Sophia of Hungary
Richardis of Carniola
Otto III (d. after 15 December 1130), Eckhard III (d. after 11 July 1183), Bernard II (d. c. 1135), unnamed son

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Judith of Friuli
Gisela (mother of Regelinda)
Regelinda of Zürich
Bertha of Swabia
Adelaide of Italy
Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor
Matilda of Germany, Countess Palatine of Lotharingia
Richeza of Lotharingia
Richeza of Poland, Queen of Hungary
Sophia of Hungary
Wulfhilde of Saxony
Sophia of Bavaria
Ottokar III of Styria

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Judith of Friuli
Gisela (mother of Regelinda)
Regelinda of Zürich
Bertha of Swabia
Adelaide of Italy
Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor
Matilda of Germany, Countess Palatine of Lotharingia
Richeza of Lotharingia
Richeza of Poland, Queen of Hungary
Sophia of Hungary
Wulfhilde of Saxony
Judith of Bavaria, Duchess of Swabia
Bertha, Duchess of Lorraine
Alice of Lorraine
Odo III, Duke of Burgundy
Hugh IV, Duke of Burgundy
Margaret, Lady of Molinot
Marie, Viscountess of Limoges
Guy de Penthièvre
Joan, Duchess of Brittany
Marie of Blois, Duchess of Anjou
Louis II of Anjou
Marie of Anjou
Magdalena of Valois
Catherine of Navarre
Isabel d'Albret of Navarre
René II, Viscount of Rohan
Catherine de Rohan
Countess Palatine Magdalene Catherine of Zweibrücken
Countess Palatine Dorothea Catherine of Birkenfeld-Bischweiler
Countess Anna Catherine of Nassau-Ottweiler
From this point Wikipedia doesn't say one way or the other if any daughters had children

This line is disputed actually but if true it's more senior then the Judith of Friuli lines.
Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Ingeltrude
Hedwig of Babenberg
Henry the Fowler
Hedwig of Saxony
Beatrice of France
Ida of Lorraine
Werner I, Count of Klettgau
Otto II, Count of Habsburg
Werner II, Count of Habsburg
Albert III, Count of Habsburg
Rudolf II, Count of Habsburg
Albert IV, Count of Habsburg
Rudolf I of Germany
Matilda of Habsburg
Agnes of Bavaria, Margravine of Brandenburg
Agnes
Adelaide of Nassau
Ulrich IV, Lord of Hanau
Ulrich V, Lord of Hanau
Elisabeth of Hanau, Countess of Hohenlohe
Elisabeth wife of Louis V, Lord of Lichtenberg and Hugo XIII, Count of Montfort-Rotenfels-Langenargen

Below is a line I first documented from Berengar I of Italy because Gisela's own page didn't mention her daughters
Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Berengar I of Italy
Gisela of Friuli
Berengar II of Italy
Rozala of Italy
Baldwin IV, Count of Flanders
Judith of Flanders
Henry IX, Duke of Bavaria
Judith of Bavaria, Duchess of Swabia
Bertha, Duchess of Lorraine
Alice of Lorraine
Odo III, Duke of Burgundy
Hugh IV, Duke of Burgundy
Margaret, Lady of Molinot
Marie, Viscountess of Limoges
Guy de Penthièvre
Joan, Duchess of Brittany
Marie of Blois, Duchess of Anjou
Louis II of Anjou
Marie of Anjou
Magdalena of Valois
Catherine of Navarre
Isabel d'Albret of Navarre
René II, Viscount of Rohan
Catherine de Rohan
Countess Palatine Magdalene Catherine of Zweibrücken
Countess Palatine Dorothea Catherine of Birkenfeld-Bischweiler
Countess Anna Catherine of Nassau-Ottweiler
From this point Wikipedia doesn't say one way or the other if any daughters had children

Female Only Primogeniture succession from Gisela

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Judith of Friuli
Gisela (mother of Regelinda)
Regelinda of Zürich
Ida of Swabia
Mathilde, Abbess of Essen

Charlemagne
Louis the Pious
Gisela
Ingeltrude
Hedwig of Babenberg
Oda of Saxony
Oda of Metz

Female Prefrence Promigenture descent from Eleanor of Aquitaine

Eleanor of Aquitaine
Marie of France, Countess of Champagne
Marie of Champagne, Latin Empress of Constantinople
Margaret II, Countess of Flanders
John I, Count of Hainaut
John II, Count of Holland
Mary of Avesnes
Marie de Bourbon, Princess of Achaea
Hugh of Lusignan

Eleanor of Aquitaine
Marie of France, Countess of Champagne
Marie of Champagne, Latin Empress of Constantinople
Margaret II, Countess of Flanders
John I, Count of Hainaut
John II, Count of Holland
Mary of Avesnes
Beatrice of Bourbon, Queen of Bohemia
Wenceslaus I, Duke of Luxembourg

Eleanor of Aquitaine
Marie of France, Countess of Champagne
Marie of Champagne, Latin Empress of Constantinople
Margaret II, Countess of Flanders
John I, Count of Hainaut
John II, Count of Holland
Mary of Avesnes
Peter I, Duke of Bourbon
Joanna of Bourbon
Charles VI of France
Isabella of Valois
Joan of Valois, Duchess of Alençon

Eleanor of Aquitaine
Marie of France, Countess of Champagne
Marie of Champagne, Latin Empress of Constantinople
Margaret II, Countess of Flanders
John I, Count of Hainaut
John II, Count of Holland
Mary of Avesnes
Peter I, Duke of Bourbon
Joanna of Bourbon
Charles VI of France
Joan of France, Duchess of Brittany
Isabella of Brittany
Jeanne de Laval

Eleanor of Aquitaine
Marie of France, Countess of Champagne
Marie of Champagne, Latin Empress of Constantinople
Margaret II, Countess of Flanders
John I, Count of Hainaut
John II, Count of Holland
Mary of Avesnes
Peter I, Duke of Bourbon
Joanna of Bourbon
Charles VI of France
Joan of France, Duchess of Brittany
Francis I, Duke of Brittany
Margaret of Brittany

Eleanor of Aquitaine
Marie of France, Countess of Champagne
Marie of Champagne, Latin Empress of Constantinople
Margaret II, Countess of Flanders
John I, Count of Hainaut
John II, Count of Holland
Mary of Avesnes
Peter I, Duke of Bourbon
Joanna of Bourbon
Charles VI of France
Joan of France, Duchess of Brittany
Francis I, Duke of Brittany
Marie of Brittany, Viscountess of Rohan
Anne, Viscountess of Rohan
René I, Viscount of Rohan
René II, Viscount of Rohan
Catherine de Rohan
Magdalena Catherine, Countess Palatine of Zweibrücken
Dorothea Catherine of Birkenfeld-Bischweiler
Anna Catherine of Nassau-Ottweiler
Charles, Wild- and Rhinegrave of Salm-Dhaun
John Philip III, Wild- and Rhinegrave of Salm-Dhaun