UFO Activity and Israel

In 2 Kings 6:17 Elisha prayed to God and He briefly allowed his servant to see beyond our normal 3 dimensional perception and glimpse the Heavenly armies that were there to fight for Israel.  Note that Israel was not in obedience at this time, this was the Northern Kingdom.

Daniel 10 likewise shows us that political upheavals in the Terrestrial realm seem to have corresponding conflicts in the Heavenly realm.  And tells us Michael fights to defend Israel.  See also Ephesians 6.

In the Apocryphal Second Maccabees Chapter 5 we are told that before Antiochus Epiphanes attacked Jerusalem, chariots were seen for 40 days fighting in the heavens above the City. Daniel 8 does seem to also imply heavenly warfare going on at this time.  But 2 Maccabees is less reliable then 1 Maccabees, for example I don't know if this was before his first or second sacking of Jerusalem since 2 Maccabees seems to merge the two together.  The second one is what resulted in the Abomination of Desolation in Kislev 167 BC.  1 Maccabees 1 and Josephus Antiquities of The Jews Book 15 Chapter 5 makes clear there were two attacks but the first was over 2 years earlier and was relevantly bloodless.

In Wars of The Jews Book 6 Chapter 5 Section 3, Josephus informs us of similar visions seen in the heavens before the War started in 66 AD.

Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. 

Thing is the events he describes both before and after this I have reasons for suspecting actually happened in 30 AD the year of the Crucifixion/Resurrection and Birth of The Church.  Either way important dates in Israel's History. 

If you look at a Time-Line of Early modern UFO Sightings, and a Time-Line of the development of modern Israel, you'll see a lot of correlations between key milestone events.  A third Timeline to consider is the biography of Aleister Crowley.

The decade of the first Zionist Congress was the 1890s, same decade when people were seeing Jules Verne style Airships.  1909 in which Airship sightings occurred in New Zealand was the same year Tel-Aviv, the secular Capital of modern Israel was founded.

1917 was the year the Sun Miracle was performed in Fatima, and of the Balfur Declaration.  In occult History that is the year Aleister Crowley performed the Alamantra Working.  And in the following year he conjured Lam, the entity that resembled the Greys.

Crowley also performed some key rituals in 1923, same year as the British Mandate for Palestine.

1933 was the year of the Transfer Agreement, and the year of some key UFO sightings also.  There were also a lot of interesting UFO occurrences during WWII.

1947 was the year of the Babalon Working, and right after that was Roswell and the other events that are considered the full beginning of the modern UFO craze.  1947-49 also marks the birth of modern Israel.

"Those UFOs weren't seen in Israel" you might object.  We're dealing with a conflict that is actually going on beyond our 4 Dimensional perception, but spilling over into it.  At any-rate there have been UFO sightings in Israel, I remember just last year or the year before there was a big buzz about one sighted just over the Temple Mount.

Prophecy in The News had done an episode years ago on correlations between UFO Flaps and Israel's Wars.  They didn't cover much of what I laid out above, but did cover stuff about later wars I don't feel like getting into myself.

Hopefully those stay up on Youtube.  It was called Israel's Wars and UFO Flaps.

Nothing anyone predicted happened during the September 2015 Blood Moon.  But my brother did catch a UFO taking pictures of it.  And moves were made towards dividing Israel during September's UN Meetings.

In the study I did on This Generation Shall Not Pass, I mentioned 120 years as a potential number to use, with one Biblical reason for it being Genesis 6.  Now one may object "the context of this is about the Nephilim Activity and The Flood".  Well Jesus said "as the days of Noah were" so shall His return be.  And many have seen that as among their reasons for connecting the modern UFO Phenomenon with Fallen Angels.

Right now I'm leaning towards, though am by no means predicting, a 2030-2037 End Times model, with a 2033 Rapture.  2037 is 120 years from 1917, and 70 years from the Six Days War.  And 2030 would be Two Thousand Years from The Crucifixion.

But remember the Generation is a maximum time limit, not an exact calculation.

Jesus was the 70th Generation from Enoch

I've expressed my opposition to the Book of Enoch.  There is however one thing about it I find interesting that I felt I should talk about here.

The Book Enoch has a prophetic reference to 70 generations from the time of Enoch.  Rob Skiba seems to have done math that he feels justifies saying our time, or the time the modern UFO craze started was about 70 generations from the time of Enoch.  However he should study the Genealogy of Jesus in Luke 3, it makes Jesus the 77th from Adam, and thus the 70th from Enoch because as Jude reminds us Enoch is the 7th from Adam.

What the book claims will happen 70 generations from Enoch is that the Fallen Angels sealed in the Abyss/Tartaros will begin to be let loose.

I find it interesting how Demonic Possessions are not nearly as big of an issue in the Old Testament, in fact the few times something like it comes up it's defined as being an Evil Spirit from YHWH, like with Saul.

But in The New Testament we have an epidemic of Demonic activity going on.

Romans 10:7 says the Abyss (Deep in the KJV) is one of the places Jesus went when he was in the Earth between his Death and Resurrection.  We know he went to Sheol to awaken the Old Testament Saints, but I suspect that was all handled on the 15th of Nisan.  The only reason I can think of for him to then go to the Abyss would be to reseal it, thus it is now firmly sealed up again until Revelation 9.  But plenty of the Demons that got out before are still roaming around.

I used to be adamant that Demons weren't Fallen Angels but were the spirits of Angel-Human hybrids who died in The Flood.  But I'm not as convinced on that anymore.  Yes we know Good Angels have physical forms and don't need to posses people.  But Jude says those that sinned in Genesis 6 lost their Oketerion.

But I'm not intrigued by this enough to endorse the Book of Enoch which has endless problems.  It could be this 70 Generations from Enoch correlation is further evidence that Enoch as we know it has been altered by Christian copiers.

Update: Upon further reading the passage of Enoch in question, in Chapter 10, verses 11 through 15.  It's language does pretend to be about the End Times, and it confuses the Abyss with the Lake of Fire.  Just further proving Enoch is not a Biblically accurate text.

Likewise Enoch doesn't describe them as being in the Abyss currently (at the time it was written) but that they wouldn't be sent there till after the 70 Generations.

So this post was a pointless diversion.

Sethite View and the Nephilim

The Sethite view is easily refutable, the Pastor I do not like to name none the less holds it to be true.

As far as New Testament verses referring to Believers and Adam as Sons of God.  I have shown that we are not actually Sons of God strictly until the Resurrection.  When we become like The Angels and like Adam was before The Fall.

The Pastor I do not like to name used a verse from Hebrews to try and prove Angels can't be called Sons of God.  That passage was about how Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God, (John 3:16).  This same Pastor never brought up Job at all, besides the beginning of Job, in verse 38:7 God says "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" in a Context talking about Creation.  Before Adam was Created.

Before 30 AD the only Sons of God were The Angels.

Thing is, I have become skeptical of the traditional Angel-Human Hybrid view.  I accepted it for the longest time.  I argued against Rob Skiba about second incursions once.  And I still stand by what I said there that the Angels falling out of Lust for Women has continued post-Flood.

I still believe Sons of God refers to Angels, and I still believe the word Nephilim probably refereed to the Angels not the Mighty Men offspring.

Here is the thing, all of the New Testament verification that Angels fell to marry women in II Peter and Jude, and also Paul in 1 Corinthians when he talks about head coverings.  Never confirm the angels were the fathers of any children.

The text of Genesis 6 as it's usually translated has insertions.  In Verse 4.

There were Nephilim in the earth in those days; (and also after that_, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Notice I put "to them" in italics, that isn't in the Hebrew.  The text says the women the Angels married bore children, but doesn't necessarily say the fathers were the Angels.

Genesis 21:1-3 says.

And YHWH visited Sarah as he had said, and YHWH did unto Sarah as he had spoken.  For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.  And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.

It wouldn't be hard actually for a fringe theorist to suggest this passage is saying YHWH fathered Isaac.  But we know from the context of Genesis 18 this is about YHWH making a barren woman fertile so He can keep His promise.  Maybe what the Beni-Elohim did for the women in Genesis 6 was something similar.

As far as Rob's interpretation of the "And also after that", it's already at the 120 years left point this happens the first time.

A lot of people believing the Hybrid view make that their only apologetic answer to the issue of the apparent commands of Genocide from God in The Old Testament.  That is very dangerous, to allow yourself to think Genocide is ok if you become convinced some group of people are Nephilim.

Lots of Christians have dealt with the issue in more natural ways.  The Tirbalouge Blogspot blog is Clainvist which means I object to much of their theology.  And they support the Sethite view.  But they do a good job archiving answers to this Genocide issue without needing to bring any Science Fantasy into it.  Whatever the reasons, those kinds of things don't apply on this side of The Cross.

In the case of the Amalekites, God explains why this command is being given, nothing about them being less Human.

The Reason for the Flood is always given as the people's sinful and violent nature.  Not that their DNA had been corrupted.

Rob Skiba while promoting his bizarre Nephilim theory decided to try and de-mystify the Giant issue by showing a video talking about how Lygers grow very large just from how their cross bred.  Well he overlooked something, that refutes the idea of needing unnatural crossbreeding altogether, Lions and Tigers are of the same Kind, they're Cats, they had the same ancestors on Noah's Ark.

So everyone in the past who's mocked the idea of interbreeding causing Giants, well it does have a scientific basis, the Genetic potential just no longer seems to exist among the remaining descendants of Noah.  The last Biblically documented giant was before 1000 BC.

That's just one fact to point out, meanwhile it's highly possible Angels themselves could sometimes manifest as Giants.  William Schneoblen tell a story of seeing a Giant Angel guarding a house he was in after praying for protection.  Biblically one Angel killed the entire Assyrian army by himself.

At any-rate, none of the three words translated giant mean that, the ones described as Gigantic are all post Flood.  However The "Fossil Record" seems to indicate that most everything was a lot bigger before The Flood.

What about the Anakim?  They are defined as being of the Nephilim.  Maybe they were fallen angels themselves, not hybrids.  Maybe "Children of Anak" is like a poetic title and not really an identifier of an ancestor.  Arba, founder of Hebron and namesake of it's prior name is called both a great man among the Anakim and the father of Anak.  Seems contradictory unless the descriptions are poetic in some way.

Or maybe I'm wrong about what Nephilim means, if it does mean Giant then it just means the Anakim were for some reason Gigantic.

I'm just saying I'm unsure.  The Holy Spirit has been convicting me lately about how this Nephilim issue seems to be a gateway drug into a lot of Occult Neo-Pagan weirdness.  My advice is to at least be very careful looking into this area of research.

But don't let aversion to the weirdness scare you into to accepting the Sethite view which ties into Racism.  My issue with Skia is he rejects the Sehtite view but gives his version of the Nephilim story the exact same issue I have with the Sethite view.  By tying it into vilification of Ham's descendants.

Rob Skiba and The Nephilim

[Update, July 2016, please read This Post instead.]

I've been researching what Rob Skiba is teaching.  I like his personality, I'm finally discovering fellow Christians who are also openly Nerdy, that's fun.  I've got some issues with how he builds his theories.  He's very dependent on Extra-Biblical texts, and I have fun researching those too, but we shouldn't take them as Canon, they're Biblicaly inspired Fiction no more useful for learning the truth behind the characters they depict then Cecil B DeMille.

Jasher is the one most popularly cited as a Book endorsed by The Bible.  If an ancient Book of Jasher did exist it's not any of the books around today claiming to be Jasher, they are known medieval forgeries.

As far as Jude supposedly quoting the Book of Enoch.  He says he's quoting Enoch himself not a book.  If you look in the Book of Enoch for that quote, it's the entire Chapter, a 1 or 2 verse chapter, with no discernible connection to what came before or after.  I think Jude was referencing an independently known (or directly divinely revealed to him) quote of Enoch that got incorporated into the book of Enoch as it was transcribed over time.

His Nimrod theory takes on many common errors I've addressed elsewhere.  And Nimrod can't be one of the 7 heads.

He speaks against Pagan Christianity when it comes to subjects like holidays like Easter and Christmas.  But there is more then one kind of Pagan Christianity, another kind I feel he very much falls into, and it's one I am fully self aware I myself skirt the edges of with my interests.  Where you sort of incorporate all Pagan myths onto your worldview but just reinterpreting them to make the Pagan Heroes the villains.

I want to address his Nephilim theory.  He believes there was no additional post-flood incursion of Angel-Human interbreeding, and that the post-flood fallen Nephilim were Human-Animal cross breeding.  And he builds that argument entirely on apocryphal references.

He asks supporters of additional Angel incursions to provide a second reference besides the "after that" of Genesis 6 which he has his own interpretation of.  My second reference would be Jude 6-7.

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.  Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

People refuse to see this as a second reference to that since they are so obsessed with making Sodom and Gomorrah entirely about Homosexuality, a purely modern view of that story.  And so Chuck Missler claims the only thing the comparison to Genesis 6 here proves is a sexual nature to what happened.

The word translated "strange" in "Strange flesh" in the KJV is, ironically enough, Heteros.  It means different, and some people have felt justified in translating that "Alien Flesh".  What it's pointing out is how the flesh these people sexually desired was different from themselves, not the same.  2 Peter 2 also connects these two events.  And Nephilim theorists love "as the days of Noah were" it's not really proper to use that in that way, but my point here is that same passage makes comparison to Lot as well as Noah.

In Genesis 18-19 the word translated "men" when referring to the men of Sodom is Enosh.  Enosh is not actually a gender specific word, Moses would have used Zakar or Ish if he meant that.  It most literally means "mortal", but I think it became a term for human being in the post flood world because of descent from Enosh son of Shem.

"the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter".

I think it's textually justifiable to say that it may have been only the Women having the sex.  At any rate point is I don't think these two were the first Angels they saw.

The Testament of Naphtali refers of the Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs 3.3.4-5 refers explicitly to the Women of Sodom having Sex with Angels, with terminology that is similar to Romans 1 interestingly.  Since Rob is ok with accepting Apocrypha.

That all the post-flood "Giants" we encounter go back to Genesis 10 names (all ones from Ham) he thinks somehow contradicts Angel interbreeding.  No, Angel-Human hybrids would descend from Genesis 10 names too.  That's why they are hybrids.  Yes tribal identity was usually determined pater-lineally, but in the case of bastards who's father was unknown they were counted as part of their mother's tribe.

I also have my Argument that Nephilim refers to the Angels themselves, not the offspring.  That misunderstanding begins with the flawed Septuagint.  Nephilim means "Fallen Ones" derived form Naphal which is sued in Isaiah 14:12.  And so Numbers 13 informs us of their existence on Earth.

Also 1 Corinthians 11:10 implies Angels can still fall from lust for human women.

He questions why in more time things haven't gotten as bad as before The Flood yet if the same Nephilim activity is going on.  I don't think there have been as many after The FLood, base don how I connect the references in 2 Peter and Jude with Revelation 9 I believe Two Hundred Million fell in Genesis 6.  I think that was most angels who will wind up falling.  But certainly new ones have fallen since.

Also Rob Skiba identifies a father for Anak, that is not Biblical.  My personal hypothesis is Anak is the name of a Fallen Angel.  Update: Arba is named as the father of Anak in Joshua, but there is still nothing to connect him to a specific Canaanite tribe.

He talks about the ramifications for the two views on eligibility for Salvation.  First off I don't see how you can argue not having Adam's Y Chormozone makes you ineligible when usually Women don't a Y chromosome at all.

I do not believe there is anyone with Nephilim ancestry among the population of the Human Race today.  I'm not David Icke, the Royals are not Reptilians.  The post Flood ones for awhile dwelt in the land God promised to Abraham, for a reason I think.  But by the time David finished his conquests all such individuals were gone.  The Aliens operating today I think do so inter-dimensionaly.

He wants to see people with Nephilim ancestry as potentially Saveable.  And I don't want to put anyone descended from Adam or Eve beyond the Power of the Blood of Jesus either.  But one has to address the issue of Isaiah 26, where it says the Raphaim (descended in the KJV) shall not rise.  We know from Daniel 12 and Revelation 20 the unsaved will be resurrected too.

Note: I do believe it would be horribly abusive to the text to apply Isaiah 26's comment to purely human clones if any are ever made.

It's a touchy subject, in my opinion what kind of Hybrid they are, or if the corrupted line in pater-lineal or mater-lineal is irrelevant to that issue.  Paul's talk of Jesus as the last Adam was not about the Y chromozone.

But either way on the Y chromozone thing, I believe for the reasons William Shcnoebelen does that the Angels gained the ability to do this by drinking Human Blood, so Adam Y chromozone could still be involved.

Update

I have revised my Nephilim view here.