The thought has occasionally entered my mind, of a Jewish person possibly hypothetically saying the following during a debate with a Christian.
"Maybe, hypothetically, a Christian could convince me
(but it wouldn't be easy) of the idea of The Messiah, having two advents
where he doesn't do any of the Kingly stuff until the second coming.
And him suffering and dieing as an offering for Sin and then
Resurrected, and maybe even Born of a Virgin. And that maybe
Jesus/Yeshua was that. But what I could never accept is the idea of The
Messiah being the Son of God, or God manifesting as a Human. It's
inherently not Monotheistic, it's Pagan like the demigods of Greek
mythology or the Avatars of Vishnu in Hinduism."
Now I haven't
encountered a Jewish person willing to say that, or heard of one. But I
think it's an important aspect to look at. I think it's a good idea
here to set aside all the other disagreements in how Christians (Jew and
Gentile) and Non-Christian Jews interpret Messianic Prophecy and look
chiefly at what was most offensive to the Scribes and Pharisees of
Yeshua's own day. The idea of God being made Flesh.
So I've felt
moved by The Holy Spirit to try and help prepare fellow believers for
such a discussion. Below I'll be speaking as if talking to Jews
directly, so feel free to Copy/Paste my arguments, I don't Copyright any
of these dissertations.
I'll be basing all of this on only the
Masoretic Hebrew Text, no Septuagint or Hellenistic apocryphal writings.
And nothing from Christian translations Jews would object to. I'll be
using this linked below Translation made by Jews. Rather then my usual
objection clearly isn't that it's something God can't do. Besides
simply saying God can do anything, even Jewish interpretations of
Scripture agree that "The Angel of The LORD" or "The Angel of God" is
God taking a physical tangible Human looking form. The Word (Dabar in
Hebrew) could be viewed that way also, like in Genesis 15 where the
Dabar performs the Covenant ritual all on his own. The Angel who
announces the conception of Samson is an example, and the Captain of The
Host who appears to Joshua before The Battle of Jericho. Anytime an
Angel accepts Worship and yet isn't evil or fallen that's clearly not an
ordinary Angel but God Himself.
The very name of Israel comes
from when Jacob wrestled with God. And in Genesis 18 everyone agrees
the leader of the three Angels there is God himself talking with
Abraham. And He actually eats food with Abraham and Sarah. That's a
pretty physical tangible Human like form, I'd argue incarnating as a
Human isn't that much greater a leap.
But again, it's not about
what God can do but what he's willing to. Is actually becoming a Human
simply to far beneath him? Remember God made Adam in his own Image,
Genesis 1:26. So really why assume incarnating as a Human is something
he'd never do when Adam was modeled after himself to begin with?
there is the Hebrew word Go'el. That word is variously translated
Kinsman, Redeemer, and Avenger/Revenger. The word means all of those
things. It maybe does not necessarily literally have to mean a biological
relative every time it's used, but the Kinsman aspect is important to
it's function in the Mosaic Law. And is vital to understanding the Book
of Ruth, where Boaz is the Kinsman Redeemer, being a near male relative
of Naomi and Ruth's late husbands.
The word is used of God in
Isaiah 41:14 and 43:14 "Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel;
I help thee, saith the LORD, and thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel."
Also in 44:6 and 24. And 47:4, 48:17, 49:7 and 26 and 54:5. And other
Isaiah examples, also Jeremiah 50:34
Job said in 19:25 "But as
for me, I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He will witness at the
last upon the dust". Also Psalms 19:14 and 78:35.
What about the
Preexistence of The Messiah?
Micah 5 "out of thee shall one come forth
unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of
old, from ancient days." and Isaiah 9:5 "For a child is born unto us, a
son is given unto us". Both verses even in Jewish translations imply a
Rapheal Patai is a Jewish scholar who agrees to the
Preexistence of The Messiah "The concept of the preexistence of The
Messiah accords with the general Talmudic view which holds that "The
Holy One, blessed be He, prepares the remedy before the wound"", (The Messiah Texts
pp. 16-17). Preexistence alone doesn't prove Divinity, but it makes
him very special. Because while some cults believe we all had a
preexistence like the Mormons, that view is entirely UnBiblical, from
Genesis 2 "Then the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
soul." The Soul and Spirit are created at the same time The Body is.
Messiah is David's Son/Descendant. Yet David calls him lord in Psalm
110 "The LORD saith unto my lord: 'Sit thou at My right hand, until I
make thine enemies thy footstool.'" Psalm 2 is also interesting. The
Messiah appears to be relating how "the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My
son, this day have I begotten thee. Ask of Me, and I will give the
nations for thine inheritance, and the ends of the earth for thy
The clincher however I believe is to look at
Ezekiel 40-48's description of the coming Messianic Kingdom. How come
this in depth description mentions no Palace where The Messiah Ben-David
rules from? A great deal of the point of the Messianic Age is to
fulfill the Davidic promise from II Samuel 7, that a Son of David would
sit on David's Throne forever. And this promise is inherently linked to
And yet Ezekiel in his in-depth description of The
Messianic future geography and architecture of Israel, Jerusalem and The
Temple mentions no dwelling place for The Messiah. The
only Throne mentioned is in Ezekiel 43:7 in the Holy of Holies, no
longer separated from The Holy Place by the Veil. Where The LORD tells
Ezekiel "this is the place of My throne, and the place of the soles of
My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for
ever; and the house of Israel shall no more defile My holy name".
the LORD is saying he himself will rule. How can this be reconciled
with the Davidic Promise? Clearly the Throne of David and the Throne of
God have become the same Throne. And
therefor God must incarnate as The Son of David, Son of Abraham, Son of
Ezekiel 40-48 does have references to a "Prince" (Nasi in
the Hebrew). If the word for Prince here had been Sar or Nagyid then it
could make sense to say he's The Messiah, but Nasi isn't a royal term,
and could more accurately be translated President. Ezekiel
34:23&24 and 37:24:25 explain that the Nasi is David himself
Resurrected, not his Son who's The Messiah.
The LORD also enters through the Eastern Gate, just as The Messiah is supposed to do.
on top of that some interesting material form Zechariah 12-14. In
12:17 "In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
and he that stumbleth among them at that day shall be as David; and the
house of David shall be as a godlike being, as the angel of the LORD
That verse is definitely translated differently in
Christian translations, but even the way it's translated here is still
pretty compelling. Also 14:9 "And the LORD shall be King over all the
earth; in that day shall the LORD be One, and His name one." And in
verse 16 "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all
the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to
worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of
Now as far as the comparison to Polytheistic Pagan
concepts go. The demigods of Greek mythology were half-man/half-god.
Christians view Yeshua as All-Man and All-God. And he was born of a
Virgin, no weird Zeus turning into an animal or a golden shower to
seduce and/or rape a girl.
The Avatars of Vishnu comparison is,
I'll admit, a more valid one. Though I'd like to point out it's unclear
how long people in India even understood the concept as they do now,
even the Mahabharata is much younger then many casual references say it is, being post Alexander. Modern Hinduism is mostly the result
of British Colonialism.
Many Scholars are probably more qualified
to explain all the distinctions then I am. The key one I feel however
is the Uniqueness. God only did this once, Yeshua will have a Second
Coming, but it'll be the same Body he had before, still carrying the
Wounds he received on The Cross. I know some bizarre cults and
theorists out there try to argue for a Rebirth by abusing Revelation 12,
but all serious scholars of Revelation know that that is a symbolic
recap of History. So there are no repeated incarnations every age like
what Vishu does.
I hope the above discussion has been revealing and insightful.